Coronavirus (OLD)

Let's keep the topic of BLM out of this thread, other than discussing protests

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

I’ve removed it since you’ve taken such offence from it and asked.

I do think you are demonstrating bias, perhaps unconsciously, against BLM. However as I said that’s for another thread. A gathering is a gathering in my book.

Thank you.

I’ve been consistent with my view on BLM on this forum.

I agree with the message of BLM.

I argued against the death of George Floyd and against those on this forum that attempted to mitigate it.

I have always drawn a distinction between BLM the message and BLM the political entity/ideology.

There is a difference.

[jfman]

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-to-you-and-me

Let’s adopt the Sweden model. 50% working from home. Make employers pay levies for social security payments at sizeable percentages of wages.

Sounds amazing.

[Mad Max]

Originally Posted by jfman

Is there room for Pierre on the end of that straw?

Well let me ask you this question, smart arse, were there any reports of any arrests?

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Mad Max

Well let me ask you this question, smart arse, were there any reports of any arrests?

No need for insults, Max.

Dad anyone get arrested at the VE Day street parties? They looked closer than 2 metres to me. Many of them looked high risk too.

[Mad Max]

Originally Posted by jfman

No need for insults, Max.

Dad anyone get arrested at the VE Day street parties? They looked closer than 2 metres to me. Many of them looked high risk too.

I have no idea, did you witness or see any? What's your real objective here, jfman? you seem to have a bee in your bonnet against anything British, hence your quote about the VE Day street celebrations, which did not attract the same volume of people as those involved in leaving pubs or at mass demonstrations.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Mad Max

I have no idea, did you witness or see any? What's your real objective here, jfman? you seem to have a bee in your bonnet against anything British, hence your quote about the VE Day street celebrations, which did not attract the same volume of people as those involved in leaving pubs or at mass demonstrations.

Whoa that’s a leap.

Can you evidence that less people attended VE Day street parties than these so called “mass demonstrations”. The BBC certainly found one easy enough to join them for singing those tedious wartime ditties.

What’s my “real objective” here? I’m not a spy, Max. I’m fairly transparent in this thread on the fact I’d like to see the virus dealt with effectively by the Govermment, which in turn promotes economic recovery.

[Mad Max]

Originally Posted by jfman

Whoa that’s a leap.

Can you evidence that less people attended VE Day street parties than these so called “mass demonstrations”. The BBC certainly found one easy enough to join them for singing those tedious wartime ditties.

What’s my “real objective” here? I’m not a spy, Max. I’m fairly transparent in this thread on the fact I’d like to see the virus dealt with effectively by the Govermment, which in turn promotes economic recovery.

Are you really saying that the street parties were attended by more people than the demonstrations? Maybe they were if you counted the numbers throughout the country, but they weren't all as close together as the demonstrations were but, no doubt you'll come up with the answer.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Mad Max

Are you really saying that the street parties were attended by more people than the demonstrations? Maybe they were if you counted the numbers throughout the country, but they weren't all as close together as the demonstrations were but, no doubt you'll come up with the answer.

That’s exactly what I’m saying. The vomit inducing BBC coverage certainly didn’t show much 2 metre distancing or a lack of household mixing when I looked.

The virus doesn’t care if you’re one large mass gathering or thousands of smaller ones. It takes its opportunities when it can.

[Mad Max]

Originally Posted by jfman

That’s exactly what I’m saying. The vomit inducing BBC coverage certainly didn’t show much 2 metre distancing or a lack of household mixing when I looked.

The virus doesn’t care if you’re one large mass gathering or thousands of smaller ones. It takes its opportunities when it can.

Why is that vomit-inducing to you? Kinda sums up what I said earlier about your dislike ( and I'm being kind here) to anything British.

Back to the topic please.

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Originally Posted by denphone

It seems Boris Johnson's honeymoon period has well and truly ended.

His recent actions and dictatorship imposition of endless rules are killing the support of everyone I knew that once supported him.

I supported the early decisions, I grugingly supported the lockdown.

But over the last few weeks its just been one knee jerk reaction after another, and as per previous post, a lot of the general public (that I know of, and myself as well) are getting pretty cheesed off with all these constant (and inconsistant) rules for something none of us have see any evidence of (other than on TV).

I went out for a meal tonight. The rules forced me to wear a mask to walk 20 or so feet from the door to my table, and the same when I left.
A trip of about 10 seconds each way, Im sure it made all the difference (esp as its almost a certainty there is no CV19 anywhere near the place).

I had to keep asking staff to repeat what they were saying to me because their masks muffled their voice so much I could not make it out (a noisy environment).

I happened upon the official government site on masks, which states ;

The best available scientific evidence is that, when used correctly, wearing a face covering may reduce the spread of coronavirus droplets in certain circumstances...

Not exactly a ringing endorsment of their usefulness (and presumably thats real masks, not the homemade/makshift ones many people use).

[nomadking]

There is a difference between what was in the past, just advice or guidance, and what has now been enshrined in law. There is a legal difference between "should" and "must".
26 June

Current guidance says that “where possible, you should maintain 2m between people”. The guidance should change to state that 2m or 1m with risk mitigation (where 2m is not viable) are acceptable, and that businesses should set out the mitigations that they will introduce in their risk assessment.

Any measures are introduced at the "last minute" in response to an ever-changing situation. Not really a situation suitable for endless debates that delay things. The alternative would have to be even harsher rules, because of the delay in being able to introduce them. They would have to be entirely speculative and possibly over the top, because they wouldn't know what the situation would be by the time anything was debated and approved.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Paul

But over the last few weeks its just been one knee jerk reaction after another, and as per previous post, a lot of the general public (that I know of, and myself as well) are getting pretty cheesed off with all these constant (and inconsistant) rules for something none of us have see any evidence of (other than on TV).

The scary thing is Paul, is that these “ knee jerk” rules are no actual law.

Read it , click on the link.


The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (No. 2) (England) Regulations 2020

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/684

It’s no longer a case of being asked nicely to do something, it’s do it or be sanctioned by the state.

That is complete overkill for this situation.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Pierre

The scary thing is Paul, is that these “ knee jerk” rules are no actual law.

Read it , click on the link.


The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (No. 2) (England) Regulations 2020

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/684

It’s no longer a case of being asked nicely to do something, it’s do it or be sanctioned by the state.

That is complete overkill for this situation.

The problem is a lot of the public are stupid, self-centred, and think they know better. Hence the need for laws.

In Sweden most comply without the need for legislation. They have a sense of community which we lost long ago.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Mr K

The problem is a lot of the public are stupid, self-centred, and think they know better. Hence the need for laws.

In Sweden most comply without the need for legislation. They have a sense of community which we lost long ago.

No no no don't bring yourself down like that,look in the mirror and say i am worth it,i am not stupid,i love myself just as i am.