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Old 14-05-2024, 21:54   #841
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Re: The future of television

Dont you need a licence to watch streaming services now ?
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Old 14-05-2024, 22:19   #842
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Dont you need a licence to watch streaming services now ?
Only iPlayer so far, whether it’s live or catch up. Though I imagine the background lobbying to incorporate all streaming TV is already underway.
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Old 14-05-2024, 22:28   #843
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Only iPlayer so far, whether itís live or catch up. Though I imagine the background lobbying to incorporate all streaming TV is already underway.
Also Amazon if it is one of the live channels and Likely Netflix when they launch live events soon. Or if watching something like BBC news live on YouTube.
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Old 14-05-2024, 23:41   #844
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So we've now pinned down that linear television - broadcast schedules running for (the majority of) 24 hours a day, every day where actual people in different locations watch the exact same moment at the exact same time is here to stay.

You just think they'll be over IP based services, not DTT, satellite or cable?
I think a lot depends on what the government dictates. I think that without that interference the big channels will become on demand and the only linear channels will be the new FAST channels.

Thatís not to say we wonít have live TV, itís just that it will be streamed. Just like the PPV boxing, for example.

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Dont you need a licence to watch streaming services now ?
You do, but in future it could be used for social broadband instead for those who cannot afford or choose not to have higher speeds.

The Beeb is likely to be funded by a combination of subscriptions and advertising, although, again, the government could choose the copout route and fund it from general taxation.
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Old 15-05-2024, 06:05   #845
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What’s the difference between a linear channel and a FAST one?
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Old 15-05-2024, 08:22   #846
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Whatís the difference between a linear channel and a FAST one?
They are both linear, of course, but my 2035 prediction did not refer to them as they didn't exist at the time to the best of my knowledge. I was referring to our more conventional broadcast channels.
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Whatís the difference between a linear channel and a FAST one?
FAST ones are slower.
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Old 15-05-2024, 11:41   #848
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They are both linear, of course, but my 2035 prediction did not refer to them as they didn't exist at the time to the best of my knowledge. I was referring to our more conventional broadcast channels.
Thatís not what I asked - I asked what the difference was?

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They are both linear, of course, but my 2035 prediction did not refer to them as they didn't exist at the time to the best of my knowledge. I was referring to our more conventional broadcast channels.
FAST simply stands for Free Ad-Supported Television, which is what ITV, Channel 4, Channel 5 and many others already do, broadcasting over cable, terrestrial or satellite. The only reason the acronym has come into use is because operators have started broadcasting over IP, in a space previously occupied only by on-demand content, and in order to discuss developments it is useful to have terms that distinguish between them.

But donít let that obscure an important point in this long-running debate: ĎFAST channelsí are simply linear broadcast TV. Moreover, some of them are even operated by broadcasters who are new to the market, because the cost of running a broadcast channel over IP are lower than broadcast over established methods.

The fact that they exist is hard proof that your predictions are extremely shaky. The technology that has enabled streaming has also further enabled broadcast, such that *new* broadcast channels are now starting up.
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And conventional TV channels are becoming more like FAST channels. Channels like the forthcoming Rewind TV and Talking Pictures are pretty indistinguishable from FAST channels with no announcers and old content. The only difference is they're delivered over satellite and transmitters and not broadband.

I'm also sure that FAST channels are not a new thing and pre-date Old Boy's predictions. Pluto TV is ten years old and my Samsung had them on it back in 2017.

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Thatís not what I asked - I asked what the difference was?

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They tend to be one programme channels (eg the Generation Game channel), they are streamed and you cannot record the programmes. They are generally low quality channels containing programmes that have seen better days.

I must say, they do make you appreciate our traditional channels, despite the fact that theyíve dumbed down in recent years.

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And conventional TV channels are becoming more like FAST channels. Channels like the forthcoming Rewind TV and Talking Pictures are pretty indistinguishable from FAST channels with no announcers and old content. The only difference is they're delivered over satellite and transmitters and not broadband.

I'm also sure that FAST channels are not a new thing and pre-date Old Boy's predictions. Pluto TV is ten years old and my Samsung had them on it back in 2017.
That seems to be the way our channels are heading because more of the decent stuff is being routed towards the streamers as time goes on.

I doubt that I was aware of Pluto back in 2015 and I donít think that many of us were. However, these are not the channels I had in mind when I said everything would be on demand in all likelihood by 2035.
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I doubt that I was aware of Pluto back in 2015 and I donít think that many of us were. However, these are not the channels I had in mind when I said everything would be on demand in all likelihood by 2035.
So everything will be on demand by 2035, apart from the stuff that wonít. Got it.
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So everything will be on demand by 2035, apart from the stuff that wonít. Got it.
I said our conventional broadcast linear channels. How in a million years did you think FAST channels fitted that description?
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I said our conventional broadcast linear channels. How in a million years did you think FAST channels fitted that description?
What was all the schtick about schedulers not being required and criticising lazy viewers just putting up whatever they are being fed if indeed they are a part of the future over IP?
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