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Old 10-04-2019, 17:12   #46
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Re: 400 more miles of the hard shoulder to be removed.

Many of the bus companies in England and Wales (but not London) were government run under the auspices of the National Bus Company between 1969 and 1988.. Despite car ownership being very much lower in those days so far more people were dependent on buses, very very few of those companies made a profit, hampered by the cost of the bureaucracy.
These days, most bus services outside London are run at a profit by Stagecoach, First, Arriva, Go Ahead and lots of well run smaller companies, despite the added costs associated with EU driving regulations, adaptions for the disabled, clean exhaust laws, higher expectations of passengers etc etc. Gone are the days of the boneshaker belching out black smoke that many of us travelled on to school.
The billions of annual subsidy required in London is an indication of what might happen if offices are set up full of people with the intention of regulating the bus services. This is already proposed for the larger conurbations.
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Old 03-09-2019, 15:44   #47
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Re: 400 more miles of the hard shoulder to be removed.

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Another Richard "mountain out of a molehill" thread.
I suspect that the widow of a man who is to sue Highways England for corporate manslaughter, who lost her husband since you made this comment, would disagree with you:

https://inews.co.uk/news/uk/drivers-...torway-deaths/

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Old 03-09-2019, 17:34   #48
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Re: 400 more miles of the hard shoulder to be removed.

Hard shoulders don't make much of a difference.
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24 vehicles crash into stationary cars on the hard shoulder every week
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Almost 9,000 of these accidents involved a vehicle colliding with a stationary car, and 42 per cent of those 9,000 took place on the hard shoulder of a motorway or major A road.
After a minor collision, there was no pressing need to stop on a live lane of any sort. Would you do it on any other busy road?
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There was no nearby lay-by and the drivers had pulled over by a barrier to exchange insurance details when the lorry hit their vehicles.
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Re: 400 more miles of the hard shoulder to be removed.

On a smart motorway with no hard shoulder, there is supposed to be real-time monitoring of traffic movement so assistance can be dispatched rapidly if a running lane becomes blocked by an accident. I’m curious whether there’s a target response time and how often it is missed. I’m also curious as to what vehicle occupants should do; the current advice is to leave a car on the hard shoulder and get a comfortable distance from it, the other side of a crash barrier if there is one, or up the embankment. So what do you do if you break down or are in a collision in a live running lane on a smart motorway?
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Re: 400 more miles of the hard shoulder to be removed.

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I suspect that the widow of a man who is to sue Highways England for corporate manslaughter, who lost her husband since you made this comment, would disagree with you:

https://inews.co.uk/news/uk/drivers-...torway-deaths/
No doubt she will but I will await the result of the courts decision before commenting further.
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Hard shoulders don't make much of a difference.
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After a minor collision, there was no pressing need to stop on a live lane of any sort. Would you do it on any other busy road?
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Well, as PIP says, let's wait until the courts make a decision as to who or what was at fault.
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Re: 400 more miles of the hard shoulder to be removed.

Most of the M1 around here has been without a hard shoulder for years now - without any fuss, or the world ending.

As they say "much ado about nothing"
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Re: 400 more miles of the hard shoulder to be removed.

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I suspect that the widow of a man who is to sue Highways England for corporate manslaughter, who lost her husband since you made this comment, would disagree with you:

https://inews.co.uk/news/uk/drivers-...torway-deaths/
This made the news last night. They said that there had been four deaths on this stretch of road thus far since the hard shoulder was removed and showed a historic interview with the chief of police for this area, who predicted accidents/fatalities.

They also showed where the latest death took place. Next to what was the hard shoulder, there is a grass verge, I think it would have been sensible for them to move onto this rather than exchange details in a live motorway lane.
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