01-04-2019, 18:42
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Re: Brexit
Government authorises spending on contingency planning for UK to hold European elections.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...votes-live-new
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Officials have been given the green light to begin preparations for European elections in May as a “contingency” measure, the Press Association reports
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01-04-2019, 19:04
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Re: Brexit
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Depends when it is I suppose. If its 2022 a lot of the tension could have died down. Folk will move on to other issues that irritate them.
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There will be an awful lot of anger remaining if the electorate's decision has not been carried out (which includes a 'soft' Brexit, which is not Brexit at all, of course).
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I wouldn't read anything into that, except that the necessary preparations have to be made in case the worst happens. I am still clinging to the hope that the politicians will at last remember the manifestos they stood on.
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01-04-2019, 19:11
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Re: Brexit
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There will be an awful lot of anger remaining if the electorate's decision has not been carried out (which includes a 'soft' Brexit, which is not Brexit at all, of course).
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The electorate's decision was not for a hard or soft Brexit. It was just for Brexit so there's no of course. For every Leave supporter who feels like you do, there's probably at least one who doesn't.
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01-04-2019, 19:12
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Re: Brexit
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There will be an awful lot of anger remaining if the electorate's decision has not been carried out (which includes a 'soft' Brexit, which is not Brexit at all, of course).
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Several Tory MP's already very unhappy.
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Tory Brexiter Crispin Blunt has signalled that he would consider voting against the government in a confidence motion to stop Theresa May implementing a customs union. His fellow Brexiter Steve Baker issued the same threat earlier
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01-04-2019, 19:20
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Re: Brexit
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The electorate's decision was not for a hard or soft Brexit. It was just for Brexit so there's no of course. For every Leave supporter who feels like you do, there's probably at least one who doesn't.
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We just voted to leave. A soft Brexit is not that at all. The problem is that if you dilute a straight Brexit, you lose some of its benefits. Those who complain that we would be worse off if we leave the EU are trying to make this the case by trying to keep us in the customs union, in which case we cannot negotiate our own trade deals. That was one of the major incentives to leave, along with controlling our borders and regaining our sovereignty. These advantages were clearly stated by the Leave campaigners.
By keeping us in the customs union we would be worse off than we are now, with no control over the legislation and tariffs that would still apply to us. It's a crazy, misguided idea.
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01-04-2019, 19:26
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Re: Brexit
A soft Brexit meets the definition of leave. Even ardent Brexiteers held up Norway as a possible future model. It’s a misrepresentation of reality to say otherwise.
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01-04-2019, 19:31
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Re: Brexit
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A soft Brexit meets the definition of leave. Even ardent Brexiteers held up Norway as a possible future model. It’s a misrepresentation of reality to say otherwise.
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Exactly. The fact that it's got Brexit in the title indicates that it's a form of Brexit.
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01-04-2019, 19:35
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Re: Brexit
The defence minister Tobias Ellwood told Channel 4 News he thought MPs were coalescing around a customs union. “I think that’s where we are heading towards,” he said. When it was put to him that this would go against the Conservative party manifesto, he said:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...votes-live-new
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01-04-2019, 20:02
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Re: Brexit
Sam Coates of The Times.
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DUP to abstain on everything tonight.
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01-04-2019, 21:59
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Re: Brexit
I have just deleted a ton of tiresome old arguments/posts that quite frankly I am sick of reading again and again and again.
What was on the ballot paper is an old tiresome argument.
What people were voting for in 2016 Referendum, is a tiresome old argument.
and finally I do not want to see ever, other members insulting other members or calling them names, this is not acceptable under any circumstances.
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Indicative Vote Results due Imminently.
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01-04-2019, 22:06
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Re: Brexit
All indicative options voted down.
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01-04-2019, 22:08
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Re: Brexit
The results are in - All options fail again
Motion C: Ken Clarke's Customs Union
Ayes - 273
Noes - 276
Motion D - Nick Boles' Common Market 2.0
Ayes - 261
Noes 282
Motion E - Peter Kyle's people's vote
Ayes - 280
Noes - 292
Motion G - Joanna Cherry's revocation
Ayes - 191
Noes - 292
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01-04-2019, 22:08
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Re: Brexit
No deal back on the table as the default option.
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01-04-2019, 22:11
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Re: Brexit
So one expects the PM to bring it back to the Commons for a 4th time and lose again.
Nick Boles has resigned the Conservative whip.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...votes-live-new
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01-04-2019, 22:15
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Re: Brexit
Nick Boles told commons he can no long sit as a conservative
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