31-03-2019, 21:46
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Re: Brexit (New).
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The Government is meant to have the support of Parliament, the Queen is meant to take advice from Ministers because of that support. We effectively have a Zombie government at the moment.
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To be strictly accurate, the Queen does not "take advice", she is told what to say by the Executive. Anything else where the Crown might ignore the will of the elected Government would constitute a constitutional crisis.
There may be theoretical powers that are historical anachronisms but they would never be used in practice.
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31-03-2019, 21:52
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Re: Brexit (New).
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Originally Posted by ianch99
To be strictly accurate, the Queen does not "take advice", she is told what to say by the Executive. Anything else where the Crown might ignore the will of the elected Government would constitute a constitutional crisis.
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My point is more that the Queen doing what she is told by the Executive works on the assumption they have the support of Parliament. A Government that doesn't have the support of Parliament but is still going is a not a scenario I think our system envisions.
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31-03-2019, 21:55
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Re: Brexit (New).
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Originally Posted by ianch99
To be strictly accurate, the Queen does not "take advice", she is told what to say by the Executive. Anything else where the Crown might ignore the will of the elected Government would constitute a constitutional crisis.
There may be theoretical powers that are historical anachronisms but they would never be used in practice.
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The powers of the Monarch are purely symbolic nowadays. The Queen still has a place as the "Head" of the Country due to the billions of £'s drawn into the Country through tourism, etc.
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31-03-2019, 22:01
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Re: Brexit (New).
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The powers of the Monarch are purely symbolic nowadays. The Queen still has a place as the "Head" of the Country due to the billions of £'s drawn into the Country through tourism, etc.
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Agreed ..
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My point is more that the Queen doing what she is told by the Executive works on the assumption they have the support of Parliament. A Government that doesn't have the support of Parliament but is still going is a not a scenario I think our system envisions.
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You make a good point. I wonder when the last time the Executive was so powerless and riven? I think TM's powers of perspective have failed her. She has only one role really: to lead & represent a Cabinet, operating ideally on a basis of collective responsibility.
Once this M.O. breaks down then she and her Cabinet are surely no longer fit for purpose?
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31-03-2019, 22:15
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Re: Brexit
Not quite. They aren’t symbolic; they’re very real. They are, however, only exercised on advice (the conferring of the Order of Merit is an extremely rare exception). The monarch avoids a constitutional crisis by respecting a convention, not by obeying a law.
The powers of the sovereign have effectively been brought under democratic control because they are exercised by, or on the advice of, an Executive which is drawn from, and answerable to, our elected Parliament.
However, it is a delicious irony that our last line of defence against tyranny is that there is no law any government can usurp to give itself absolute power, because power has never been stripped from the Crown.
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31-03-2019, 23:21
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Re: Brexit
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Not quite. They aren’t symbolic; they’re very real. They are, however, only exercised on advice (the conferring of the Order of Merit is an extremely rare exception). The monarch avoids a constitutional crisis by respecting a convention, not by obeying a law.
The powers of the sovereign have effectively been brought under democratic control because they are exercised by, or on the advice of, an Executive which is drawn from, and answerable to, our elected Parliament.
However, it is a delicious irony that our last line of defence against tyranny is that there is no law any government can usurp to give itself absolute power, because power has never been stripped from the Crown.
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Parliament just beheaded it instead.
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01-04-2019, 00:17
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Re: Brexit
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The powers of the Monarch are purely symbolic nowadays. The Queen still has a place as the "Head" of the Country due to the billions of £'s drawn into the Country through tourism, etc.
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I dispute how many of those billions are directly attributable to them, people would still come, Versailles gets more visitors and there's nothing in there, especially not even a whiff of a royal
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And then restored it, the institution that is not the head that was beyond sticking back on by the time thet got round to it and to quote Blackadder it had gone green
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01-04-2019, 05:26
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Re: Brexit
Meanwhile the open civil war in Theresa Mays cabinet goes on unabated...
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...et-rift-widens
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Theresa May’s government is on the verge of meltdown as cabinet ministers prepare to clash over whether to support plans for a softer Brexit and a possible lengthy delay before leaving the European Union.
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01-04-2019, 09:17
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Re: Brexit
Eurovision SHOCK as Britain will LEAVE song contest after Brexit
FEARS Britain was to be BANNED from the Eurovision Song Contest were growing today after the body governing the quality of European pop music warned hard Brexit might mean GB’s Eurovision exit.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/11...ews-eurovision
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01-04-2019, 09:20
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Re: Brexit
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Eurovision SHOCK as Britain will LEAVE song contest after Brexit
FEARS Britain was to be BANNED from the Eurovision Song Contest were growing today after the body governing the quality of European pop music warned hard Brexit might mean GB’s Eurovision exit.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/11...ews-eurovision
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Russia isn't in the EU.....More fake news?
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01-04-2019, 09:30
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Re: Brexit
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Eurovision SHOCK as Britain will LEAVE song contest after Brexit
FEARS Britain was to be BANNED from the Eurovision Song Contest were growing today after the body governing the quality of European pop music warned hard Brexit might mean GB’s Eurovision exit.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/11...ews-eurovision
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Crap April fools attempt? (by the Express, not yourself i hasten to add)
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01-04-2019, 09:31
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Re: Brexit
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True, and that was the one period of history when Parliament actually did strip the Crown of its powers ... but when Charles II was returned from exile and made King, all the Acts of Parliament passed under the Protectorate were declared invalid. Legally, it is as if it never happened.
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01-04-2019, 09:45
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Re: Brexit
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Crap April fools attempt? (by the Express, not yourself i hasten to add)
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It's all true read this.
The Paris-based L’Institute de Eurovision Song - the pan-European body governing the continent’s pop output - warned leaving the EU could mean Great Britain’s glorious Eurovision history might come to an end. Britain’s Eurovision efforts have long been enjoyed across the continent and the nations has likewise enjoyed scrupulously fair adjudication at the hands of the Eurovision judges. Vaya Mentira, chief executive of LIES, said: “It has with a heavy heart that we have decided Britain should no longer compete in Eurovision.
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01-04-2019, 09:48
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Re: Brexit
Mmmm, the Queen all getting a bit desperate, suppose she's more reliable than JRM though ...
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Good and predictable to see them tearing each other apart. Only positive from Brexit.
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01-04-2019, 09:58
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Re: Brexit
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It's all true read this.
The Paris-based L’Institute de Eurovision Song - the pan-European body governing the continent’s pop output - warned leaving the EU could mean Great Britain’s glorious Eurovision history might come to an end. Britain’s Eurovision efforts have long been enjoyed across the continent and the nations has likewise enjoyed scrupulously fair adjudication at the hands of the Eurovision judges. Vaya Mentira, chief executive of LIES, said: “It has with a heavy heart that we have decided Britain should no longer compete in Eurovision.
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ummm it's not....
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...-best-14216917
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