Brexit

Originally Posted by Pierre

Wow, if we lived by that we’d accomplish nothing.

Everyday in life is a risk.

People have looked at Brexit and believe it is worth the risk.

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That didn’t answer the question, but it’s OK because I know you can’t answer the question, because you’re not a fortune teller.

Usually assessed, mitigated, and managed risk(s).

When we cross the road, we don’t walk blindly across, assuming everything will be fine.

When we drive or cars, we (should) ensure they are safe, we’re wearing seat belts, and we continually check for upcoming problems (other drivers, people walking out in front of us).

We don’t live life assuming everything will be fine, we balance risks with rewards, usually quantifiable.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Alas, it doesn't assist your argument. You said "In the opinion of most leavers, it is perfectly possible to leave in an orderly fashion without a deal."
There is nothing in that article to support your statement.

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As I've said before, it's a great name for a party, a clear offer to voters and he should never, ever be under estimated. A Sky News article makes the same point in more depth.
https://news.sky.com/story/labour-an...-real-11695821

The article was not provided to answer that question. It was to answer the other question you posed in your post.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

The article was not provided to answer that question. It was to answer the other question you posed in your post.

There's only one question in my post - something to support the statement that "In the opinion of most leavers, it is perfectly possible to leave in an orderly fashion without a deal."
One person's article even if he is an MEP does not support the "most leavers" statement.

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Usually assessed, mitigated, and managed risk(s).

When we cross the road, we don’t walk blindly across, assuming everything will be fine.

When we drive or cars, we (should) ensure they are safe, we’re wearing seat belts, and we continually check for upcoming problems (other drivers, people walking out in front of us).

We don’t live life assuming everything will be fine, we balance risks with rewards, usually quantifiable.

Wealth-creating Business has looked at Brexit in a dispassionate manner. Most - including Virgin Media - have said the disadvantages far outweigh any advantages.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

As I expected! But this poll will be rubbished by those pesky remainders who deny the vote of the referendum.

If we have to fight the European elections, the current parties in Parliament will regret it.

Who is rubbishing it? as l for one won't but some others will if it does not suit their own personal political agenda of dismissing polls that they don't like the look of and bigging up the ones that they do like the look of.

Here’s a graphic from Guido just in case anyone is in any doubt as to the signifcance of today’s poll.

Even if these results wee pushing at the very edge of the margin of error (3 points, plus or minus) the Brexit party would be within 1 point of first place.



Of course the margin of error swings both ways and they could be 8 or more points clear.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

As I expected! But this poll will be rubbished by those pesky remainders who deny the vote of the referendum.

If we have to fight the European elections, the current parties in Parliament will regret it.

I'm not sure that language is condusive to sensible debate, old Boy. I'm sure the elections will happen and I'm sure the Brexit Party will do well. It says what it does on the tin.

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by Pierre

That didn’t answer the question, but it’s OK because I know you can’t answer the question, because you’re not a fortune teller.

But on the balance of probabilities, freedom of movement and programs like Erasmus+ will continue to exist in the EU and those are of benefit for young people

[Carth]

Originally Posted by jonbxx

But on the balance of probabilities, freedom of movement and programs like Erasmus+ will continue to exist in the EU and those are of benefit for young people

The problem is, to misquote, not all young people are created equal. I can't see the majority of the UK unemployed youngsters rushing off to work in factories, hotels, fast food outlets or nursing homes in the Eastern European Countries . . . can you?

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

There's only one question in my post - something to support the statement that "In the opinion of most leavers, it is perfectly possible to leave in an orderly fashion without a deal."
One person's article even if he is an MEP does not support the "most leavers" statement.

I thought the emphasis in your question was relating to my statement that it was perfectly possible to leave in an orderly fashion without a deal.Hence, the link that I posted.

As far as the statement I made about 'most leavers thinking that was possible' is concerned, I guess I was relying on the conversations I have been having with many acquaintences who are leavers, as well as reactions that I have noted from interviews with the public. Nothing scientific, but a fairly large sample of people all in all.

It is quite noticeable when you talk to leavers how positive they are about the opportunities out there for the taking when we leave, whereas most remainers I have noticed are very negative 'cup half empty' types. I guess it is natural for people who only see problems and regard any change as a threat to vote to remain. It makes sense to people who have that mindset.

[jfman]

Half of the electorate support some form of Brexit or another. I, for one, am shocked that a single issue party in a meaningless election didn’t score higher.

Evidence that support for Brexit is eroding for me.

Originally Posted by Carth

The problem is, to misquote, not all young people are created equal. I can't see the majority of the UK unemployed youngsters rushing off to work in factories, hotels, fast food outlets or nursing homes in the Eastern European Countries . . . can you?

Well, since they don’t rush to do it here, it’s unlikely.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I'm not sure that language is condusive to sensible debate, old Boy. I'm sure the elections will happen and I'm sure the Brexit Party will do well. It says what it does on the tin.

My wrath is reserved for those remainers who are trying to overturn our democratic referendum vote. Not all remainers, by any means.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I thought the emphasis in your question was relating to my statement that it was perfectly possible to leave in an orderly fashion without a deal.Hence, the link that I posted.

As far as the statement I made about 'most leavers thinking that was possible' is concerned, I guess I was relying on the conversations I have been having with many acquaintences who are leavers, as well as reactions that I have noted from interviews with the public. Nothing scientific, but a fairly large sample of people all in all.

It is quite noticeable when you talk to leavers how positive they are about the opportunities out there for the taking when we leave, whereas most remainers I have noticed are very negative 'cup half empty' types. I guess it is natural for people who only see problems and regard any change as a threat to vote to remain. It makes sense to people who have that mindset.

You seem to confuse "identifying and assessing impacts of issues" with "very negative".

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Hugh

When we cross the road, we don’t walk blindly across, assuming everything will be fine.
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Correct, in which bit about Brexit are we doing that?

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Hugh

You seem to confuse "identifying and assessing impacts of issues" with "very negative".

Yes, but what they are not doing is balancing their perceived impacts against the opportunities. Added to that, the impacts they perceive are magnified to give a completely false picture.

To hear some of them go on, you'd think that there will be no more trade with the EU and France will be difficult with us at the border, even though they know perfectly well that any deliberate attempt to slow our exports down will be met by reciprocation for the goods they want us to import.

We will co-operate with the EU after we've left and they will co-operate with us. This makes sense to both sides.