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Old 31-08-2021, 13:06   #481
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Much of that hardware wouldn't be in the hands of the Taliban if, and I'll say it again, the Afghanistan owners of it (given by the US) hadn't turned tail and ran instead of fighting for their country.

Of course, those that capitulated but didn't 'run' were quite handy for the Taliban to have around, considering they'd been trained to fly the damn things.

Easy to say when you're not one of the thoroughly demoralized Afghan soldiers who haven't been paid in months and were incredibly low in things such as rations etc.
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Old 31-08-2021, 13:32   #482
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Easy to say when you're not one of the thoroughly demoralized Afghan soldiers who haven't been paid in months and were incredibly low in things such as rations etc.
. . . if that's true (and I'm not saying it isn't), then the people running the show - the Afghanistan leadership - maybe weren't the right people to be supporting after all?

Quite possibly then, we were batting for the bad guys all along
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Old 31-08-2021, 13:57   #483
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. . . if that's true (and I'm not saying it isn't), then the people running the show - the Afghanistan leadership - maybe weren't the right people to be supporting after all?

Quite possibly then, we were batting for the bad guys all along
Well known fact that this is the case unfortunately.

IIRC the ex Afghani president was released from prison by the US in order to become president, i could be wrong here...
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Old 31-08-2021, 14:01   #484
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. . . if that's true (and I'm not saying it isn't), then the people running the show - the Afghanistan leadership - maybe weren't the right people to be supporting after all?

Quite possibly then, we were batting for the bad guys all along
I think the choice was between corrupt politicians who pretended to believe in democracy whilst lining their pockets, and extremist militants - it was the (slightly) lesser of two evils.

We’re talking about a country with no real history of democracy, ruled by despots and warlords (yes, I mean Afghanistan).
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Re: US President Joe Biden

The history of Afghanistan is a very depressing one.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politic...ne-afghanistan
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I think the choice was between corrupt politicians who pretended to believe in democracy whilst lining their pockets, and extremist militants - it was the (slightly) lesser of two evils.

We’re talking about a country with no real history of democracy, ruled by despots and warlords (yes, I mean Afghanistan).
With a history of 'kicking the arse' of those who thought they could change things.

It's going to be interesting to see how the Taliban govern, especially with a couple of 'home grown' factions already showing displeasure at the new top dogs.
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Re: US President Joe Biden

The Afghan army was much smaller than it was suppose to be since Generals were reporting higher numbers and pocketing the pay from the Americans.
They were under supplied because the American weaponry was incredibly valuable (compared to local wages) and would go missing to appear on black markets.

On top of that, the flavour of Islam in Afghanistan believes in a form of fate. When they believe something is going one way they believe they can't change the outcome but can control how they get there, i.e. alive by surrendering or dead fighting a useless cause.
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Pathetic from you as usual, you clearly like dying on the same hill for posting utter nonsense.

Mr K. Did you miss the 20th Jan inauguration where Biden was sworn in as President, he had ample time to reverse his predecessors policy. He didn’t and then fecked it up big time, Biden then runs from the press coz he sucks at PR.
What is pathetic Mick, is that if Donnie had been inaugerated, you'd doubtless be defending him to the hilt for following through on his agreement with the Taliban to withdraw....

Both the US Presidents have failed big time. Partisanship doesn't work on this as they both had the same policy.

It's the US that has let the World down again (and us of course as it's obedient little side kick).
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With a history of 'kicking the arse' of those who thought they could change things.
I don't think that entirely accurate at all, putting aside British successes there last century and the one before the ones who suffered most under Soviet intervention were the Afghans themselves, much like now

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What is pathetic Mick, is that if Donnie had been inaugerated, you'd doubtless be defending him to the hilt for following through on his agreement with the Taliban to withdraw....

Both the US Presidents have failed big time. Partisanship doesn't work on this as they both had the same policy.

It's the US that has let the World down again (and us of course as it's obedient little side kick).
Donny wanted them out earlier at least he could be distracted by power point though, we can blame Donny all we want for this fiasco but it wasn't him who implemented his daft plan it was Biden and the buck stops with him imo.

I don't necessarily understand why everyone else cut and ran because the Americans did, I'd like someone to ask Bozo why Nato couldn't continue propping up the Afghan army without them?
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Re: US President Joe Biden

Did we win? Did the USA win? Did the Russians win?

If the answer to any of those is 'yes', what did we win?
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I'd like someone to ask Bozo why Nato couldn't continue propping up the Afghan army without them?
Do you think you could have persuaded all of these countries to stay without the support of the US?

https://www.nato.int/nato_static_fl2...M-Placemat.pdf
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Do you think you could have persuaded all of these countries to stay without the support of the US?

https://www.nato.int/nato_static_fl2...M-Placemat.pdf
NATO went in to support a fellow member, as soon as that member decided it was no longer necessary to stay NATO had no reason or mandate to remain.
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Did we win? Did the USA win? Did the Russians win?

If the answer to any of those is 'yes', what did we win?
Yes we did actually, two outta three and the one we lost (the first) we sent an army of retribution to punish them and free prisoners

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Do you think you could have persuaded all of these countries to stay without the support of the US?

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NATO went in to support a fellow member, as soon as that member decided it was no longer necessary to stay NATO had no reason or mandate to remain.
It's true but given how low the numbers of troops stationed there just seems a shame we couldn't have done something
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It's true but given how low the numbers of troops stationed there just seems a shame we couldn't have done something
Such as what against a regime change and an enemy at the gates of the airport?
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Such as what against a regime change and an enemy at the gates of the airport?
They weren't at the gates until we started to leave and it became clear we wouldn't do anything to stop them
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