Brexit (Old)

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Stripped of its usual European support because of Brexit, how is Britain faring on the global stage? Well, today, the UN ruled that it must give up its rule of the Chagos Islands.
Looks like one country is taking back control. Mauritius.
https://www.itv.com/news/2019-02-25/...-court-orders/

Sorry .... whatthewhatnow? This issue has been ongoing for years, and that isn’t the first international panel to rule that the UK acted unlawfully in evicting the inhabitants. It was the cynical act of a colonial power in retreat and I suspect we would have rectified it ourselves years ago were it not for the inconvenient fact that we sub-let part of it to the Americans, who have built a massive strategic base on it.

Seriously, I’ve heard some pretty desperate attempts to blame everything on Brexit but this one really is a crowning turd.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Blame Remain for Brexit? It doesn't quite work old chap.

I'm blaming them for it NOT happening.


So much time and effort has had to be put into deflecting the anti-democratic attacks, that could have much better been put into planning for a hard Brexit. If the EU saw that the UK was fully prepared in every way to have a hard Brexit, they might have been a bit more prepared to come to an acceptable agreement.

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Originally Posted by Hugh

You missed off the next paragraph from that statement and

I included this sentence.

The Geneva-based trade body where countries negotiate the rules of international trade would only intervene in a dispute over trade if one of its 164 member countries made a complaint.

The official WTO response versus an "expert". It is the EU insisting on the backstop.


As I've said before, if the Remain side are prepared to accept a 2nd referendum result that also went against them, they they should accept the result of the 1st. They don't accept the 1st, so they would only accept the result a 2nd if it went their way.

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by nomadking

I'm blaming them for it NOT happening.


So much time and effort has had to be put into deflecting the anti-democratic attacks, that could have much better been put into planning for a hard Brexit. If the EU saw that the UK was fully prepared in every way to have a hard Brexit, they might have been a bit more prepared to come to an acceptable agreement.

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I included this sentence.

The official WTO response versus an "expert". It is the EU insisting on the backstop.


As I've said before, if the Remain side are prepared to accept a 2nd referendum result that also went against them, they they should accept the result of the 1st. They don't accept the 1st, so they would only accept the result a 2nd if it went their way.

you forget this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3rX4nJ0snc

Originally Posted by Dave42

the sun front page tomorrow saying Teressa May going to rule out a no deal Brexit Tom Swarbrick just said on LBC

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/brexit...brexit-u-turn/

I think she can request a extension without Parliamentary approval so even if the ERG bring down their own government over it she can do it.

[Angua]

Originally Posted by nomadking

I'm blaming them for it NOT happening.


So much time and effort has had to be put into deflecting the anti-democratic attacks, that could have much better been put into planning for a hard Brexit. If the EU saw that the UK was fully prepared in every way to have a hard Brexit, they might have been a bit more prepared to come to an acceptable agreement.

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I included this sentence.

The official WTO response versus an "expert". It is the EU insisting on the backstop.


As I've said before, if the Remain side are prepared to accept a 2nd referendum result that also went against them, they they should accept the result of the 1st. They don't accept the 1st, so they would only accept the result a 2nd if it went their way.

Come on, a second result would be based on known outcomes.

The first just asked Leave or Remain. No quantifiable definition of what type of Leave this would be. Despite protestations from some that "everyone knew what they were voting for", subsequent events have shown 17.4 million people were not all voting for the same sort of Leave.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by nomadking

I'm blaming them for it NOT happening.

As I've said before, if the Remain side are prepared to accept a 2nd referendum result that also went against them, they they should accept the result of the 1st. They don't accept the 1st, so they would only accept the result a 2nd if it went their way.

What's the point of a 2nd referendum? The pound in your pocket is worth 15% less than it was pre 1st referendum, 800 billion has left the city of London, 10% of London's hotel room bookings have been lost, 250 companies have relocated to Europe, it's cost us 800 million a week since the referendum etc etc etc and for what to end up staying in, seems crazy to me and imo uneducated as it is we're probably over the worst of it anyway, if they're foolish enough to give me a 2nd vote it'll be leave next time

Originally Posted by nomadking

I'm blaming them for it NOT happening.


So much time and effort has had to be put into deflecting the anti-democratic attacks, that could have much better been put into planning for a hard Brexit. If the EU saw that the UK was fully prepared in every way to have a hard Brexit, they might have been a bit more prepared to come to an acceptable agreement.

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I included this sentence.

The official WTO response versus an "expert". It is the EU insisting on the backstop.


As I've said before, if the Remain side are prepared to accept a 2nd referendum result that also went against them, they they should accept the result of the 1st. They don't accept the 1st, so they would only accept the result a 2nd if it went their way.

Ah, the old "Gove” approach...

Do you honestly believe that none of the WTO countries would object?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Dave42

the sun front page tomorrow saying Teressa May going to rule out a no deal Brexit Tom Swarbrick just said on LBC

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/brexit...brexit-u-turn/

Clever move by Theresa May which really just accepts reality. The only way that no deal could have been an option would have been if the UK prepared for it thoroughly then invoked Article 50.

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Originally Posted by Mick

There isn't the Parliamentary Arithmetic for a Second Referendum, there is about 26 Labour MPs who won't back it for a start and there is already a handful who have publicly declared tonight that they will vote against any amendment that calls for one.

And tonight at a Labour PLP meeting, Corbyn was asked 23 times, if Remaining in the EU, would be on the ballot paper, he refused to say it would.

As usual, it's just noise.

Agreed. Still, it's a shrewd move for once by Jeremy Corbyn.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by nomadking

I'm blaming them for it NOT happening.


So much time and effort has had to be put into deflecting the anti-democratic attacks, that could have much better been put into planning for a hard Brexit. If the EU saw that the UK was fully prepared in every way to have a hard Brexit, they might have been a bit more prepared to come to an acceptable agreement.

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I included this sentence.

The official WTO response versus an "expert". It is the EU insisting on the backstop.


As I've said before, if the Remain side are prepared to accept a 2nd referendum result that also went against them, they they should accept the result of the 1st. They don't accept the 1st, so they would only accept the result a 2nd if it went their way.

I've read some utter tosh in my time but that takes the biscuit. You're effectively saying that the negotiators/politicians etc. Couldn't concentrate on their jobs because people are 'making noise' this is akin to the excuse the child gives to a teacher for not doing their home work. this then leads to a couple of conclusions.

1) The politicians/negotiators aren't capable of doing their jobs and would not be able to secure a good deal full stop

2) The politicians/negotiators aren't competent because they didn't even to think that in such a close result there would be efforts to change the process.

D- Must try much harder

[RichardCoulter]

Just watched a programme from Channel 5, it said that cash point machine theft/fraud has trebled and 90% of it is being done by Romanians. They interviewed them and was told that it is either used for drugs or to send home to their poor families back home.

It was on the news the other day that many of them live outdoors too.

The ugly side of free movement in action. What on Earth did they expect when they allowed these poorer countries to join?

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Just watched a programme from Channel 5, it said that cash point machine theft/fraud has trebled and 90% of it is being done by Romanians. They interviewed them and was told that it is either used for drugs or to send home to their poor families back home.

It was on the news the other day that many of them live outdoors too.

The ugly side of free movement in action. What on Earth did they expect when they allowed these poorer countries to join?

Ok great now lets get some more information on this, number of Romanian migrants who are involved in this type of crime against the total number of Romanian migrants in this country. Bet that data isn't provided is it?

It's a sensationalist headline designed to prompt exactly the reaction/post that you have just provided. and you, with great gusto fell for it hook, line and sinker. Without additional data it doesn't mean a great deal

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Ok great now lets get some more information on this, number of Romanian migrants who are involved in this type of crime against the total number of Romanian migrants in this country. Bet that data isn't provided is it?

It's a sensationalist headline designed to prompt exactly the reaction/post that you have just provided. and you, with great gusto fell for it hook, line and sinker. Without additional data it doesn't mean a great deal

I've personally seen them defecating outdoors in public areas.

The main point of my post is that this free movement crap is allowing these low life's into our country. Playing with data is meaningless if it's you that's been pickpocketed etc. Even one is one too many.

[Gavin78]

Thing is I voted for no deal regardless of the outcome as I suspected did many. My understanding at the time in 2016 was we leave then talk.

It's just a shame so many didn't seem to get that.

Here's what I'm hearing from Cabinet, which is still ongoing:

The PM has said there will be a three line whip on an amendable motion *tomorrow* that will commit to TWO votes on March 12th in the event that her deal fails

One will be on no deal, the other will on extending A50

https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/...58188514402304

[Mythica]

Originally Posted by Gavin78

Thing is I voted for no deal regardless of the outcome as I suspected did many. My understanding at the time in 2016 was we leave then talk.

It's just a shame so many didn't seem to get that.

So many don't seem to get that because it's a stupid thing to do. You don't leave a job and then decide to go look for another.