UK & EU Agree Post-Brexit Trade Deal

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Hugh

You're confusing superiority with reality - try negotiating with Sainsburys about your grocery shopping prices...

The problem is that it appears the UK wants all the benefits of being in the EU without the costs (monetary or legal) - that wouldn't be 'negotiations' for the EU, that would be capitulation.

Negotiations are based on mutual benefits only if both sides have things that benefit the other without undermining the basic structure of the organisations.

Most of the money spent by the EU has little to do with the operation of the single market etc. Why does Poland get 9billion a year from the EU? Other than things like the EU commission, single market costs are largely borne by the individual states. They charge us such a huge unrepresentative amount that we have to be given a 66% rebate. The EU's intention has always been to remove that rebate. Don't want to dig out the figures and previous posts again, but even with the rebate, the UK pays a higher %age of GNI(Gross Nation Income) than Germany.



If a product is sold in the EU, then it is subject to EU law, wherever it has come from. Similarly any product sold in the UK(outside of the EU) is subject to UK law, NOT EU LAW. If we internally decide to follow an EU rule, then that is OUR choice, and not because Germany or France insist on it for their own countries agenda.


Why would small countries like Vietnam, do a trade deal with the EU if it's so biased in the EU's favour? Isn't the whole ethos of the EU meant to be mutual cooperation?

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by nomadking

<SNIP (valid stuff though)>


Why would small countries like Vietnam, do a trade deal with the EU if it's so biased in the EU's favour? Isn't the whole ethos of the EU meant to be mutual cooperation?

... Varadkar style.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Have you and Mr K deliberately ignored the point I made about bullying?

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The lesson he needs teaching is that bullying is bad practice.

"not giving us everything we want"does not equal "bullying"

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Originally Posted by nomadking

Most of the money spent by the EU has little to do with the operation of the single market etc. Why does Poland get 9billion a year from the EU? Other than things like the EU commission, single market costs are largely borne by the individual states. They charge us such a huge unrepresentative amount that we have to be given a 66% rebate. The EU's intention has always been to remove that rebate. Don't want to dig out the figures and previous posts again, but even with the rebate, the UK pays a higher %age of GNI(Gross Nation Income) than Germany.



If a product is sold in the EU, then it is subject to EU law, wherever it has come from. Similarly any product sold in the UK(outside of the EU) is subject to UK law, NOT EU LAW. If we internally decide to follow an EU rule, then that is OUR choice, and not because Germany or France insist on it for their own countries agenda.


Why would small countries like Vietnam, do a trade deal with the EU if it's so biased in the EU's favour? Isn't the whole ethos of the EU meant to be mutual cooperation?

Thank for not taking into account any of my points...

As I said above

Negotiations are based on mutual benefits only if both sides have things that benefit the other without undermining the basic structure of the organisations.

Vietnam has things that the EU want, and vice versa - what they didn't do was try to get a better deal just because they were Vietnam...

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Hugh

"not giving us everything we want"does not equal "bullying"

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Thank for not taking into account any of my points...

As I said above

Vietnam has things that the EU want, and vice versa - what they didn't do was try to get a better deal just because they were Vietnam...

So does Vietnam have it's laws in Vietnam set by the EU? What happens in Vietnam is a matter for the Vietnamese, just as what happens in the UK is a matter for the UK. What is so complicated about that? It's only the UK that is planned to be undermined in any and every way possible. The other EU countries undermine the EU far more than the UK ever will.

[papa smurf]

Ode to joy

Remainers plot to make European Union anthem top the music charts on Brexit day

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...eral-democrats

Presumably it's the joy of leaving.

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Ode to joy

Remainers plot to make European Union anthem top the music charts on Brexit day

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...eral-democrats

Presumably it's the joy of leaving.

So, they're trying to get a Classical hit that is meant to symbolise peace for all things EU, but this week is the Holocaust & 75th Auschwitz anniversary, and Ode to joy, was said to have been played on Hitlers Birthday's.... are they really that sick in the head, their beloved need to remain in a disgusting and corrupt EU, that they would bring that to the top of the charts, in the same week... ?

Since then, the powerful emotions aroused by the symphony have been harnessed for good and ill. Hitler had it played on birthdays and included it in Nazi propaganda films.

https://ig.ft.com/life-of-a-song/ode-to-joy.html

However silly the chart thing is Ode to Joy is a really famous piece of music which no one really associates strongly with Hitler. It's used all the time for everything and Hitler was no doubt tapping into that as well. It's very tenuous to suggest playing Ode to Joy on Holocaust Memorial Week is somehow insensitive. Hitler also liked Bavarian Beer Halls but they don't close on Holocaust Memorial Week.

Ode to Joy is also used in Peggle when you clear all the pins, I don't think they used it in a sick celebration of Hitler either.

Just call it for what it is, a juvenile and impotent stunt. Not much need to drag the Holocaust into it.

[papa smurf]

Adolf Hitler adored the Ninth Symphony. Musicians waiting for their deaths in Nazi concentration camps were ordered to play it, metaphorically twisting its closing call to universal brotherhood and joy into a terrifying, sneering parody of all that strives for light in a human soul.


https://www.thestar.com/entertainmen...ny-a-rest.html

[Mr K]

It's a great tune, better than anything else in the charts, and certainly makes you proud to be European But will Beethoven get the royalties ?

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

Adolf Hitler adored the Ninth Symphony. Musicians waiting for their deaths in Nazi concentration camps were ordered to play it, metaphorically twisting its closing call to universal brotherhood and joy into a terrifying, sneering parody of all that strives for light in a human soul.


https://www.thestar.com/entertainmen...ny-a-rest.html

He also liked dogs and painting, so should all dogs and paintings be hated too?

Some Brexiteers just end up looking silly billlies with their anti European paranoia. Hope they won't be touching the new Made in France passports or they may explode with rage..... Who else is left to hate after Brexit? I'm guessing the BBC, the poor, the disabled or anyone who isn't like them basically.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Hugh

"not giving us everything we want"does not equal "bullying"

Oh please. We haven't asked for anything yet - other than a comprehensive trade deal. They're demanding (as bullies) 25 year fishing rights, ECJ jurisdiction over trade and being spat on by the perfidious Varadkar.

Why are you being like this?

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Oh please. We haven't asked for anything yet - other than a comprehensive trade deal. They're demanding (as bullies) 25 year fishing rights, ECJ jurisdiction over trade and being spat on by the perfidious Varadkar.

Why are you being like this?

But our position is so strong , they will have to give way to the might of the British Empire !

Has reality dawned yet?

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Oh please. We haven't asked for anything yet - other than a comprehensive trade deal. They're demanding (as bullies) 25 year fishing rights, ECJ jurisdiction over trade and being spat on by the perfidious Varadkar.

Why are you being like this?

We haven’t asked for anything, besides a comprehensive trade deal - not asked for much, then?

So we "ask", and they "demand" - some cognitive bias occurring, methinks...

[Hom3r]

Originally Posted by Chris

Wonder what he's doing now ....

Proberably still shoutinghis crap.

Well he would do if he hadn'd got the snot kicked out of him and his megaphone stomped on

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Hom3r

Proberably still shoutinghis crap.

Well he would do if he hadn'd got the snot kicked out of him and his megaphone stomped on

Oh that's very nice. Peaceful protesters should be beaten up ??? Hitler would have been proud (and I'm not the one to introduce Hitler into this thread).

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Hugh

We haven’t asked for anything, besides a comprehensive trade deal - not asked for much, then?

So we "ask", and they "demand" - some cognitive bias occurring, methinks...

No - what I've said is fact. You're still back in the negative Remain world.