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Old 02-12-2019, 13:29   #46
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No, I just knew what you were talking about. If you're going to start playing games, I'm out.
No, you made an incorrect assumption whilst telling me not to assume.

There’s a whole thread on this forum about Asian grooming gangs. Feel free to have a look, in none of my posts do I refer to them as “Muslim”, only Asian.
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Old 02-12-2019, 13:35   #47
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Yep, nothing wrong with it. If certain crimes are being carried out in the vast majority of cases by a certain demographic there is nothing wrong in pointing that out. It doesn’t apply to everyone in that demographic (and before I get the usual accusations of “racism”, my son is half Indian) of course but acknowledging that majority, again nothing wrong with it.
Well there is if you haven't got mathematical evidence to back up your point.

Lets see the crimes per % of total religion/race and then stack them up against offenses or acts of terror by whites/christian.

If you include Stalin and Hitler and furthermore if you want to go back to the Crusades. You'll find that the vast majority of serious crimes were caused by people of white or christian background.

Having a half indian (other races are available) member of your family doesn't stop preclude people from having racist tendencies

My brother in law and his father are both unfortunately racist. The irony being that my brother in law was rescued from Sierra Leonne as a small child...
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No, you made an incorrect assumption whilst telling me not to assume.

There’s a whole thread on this forum about Asian grooming gangs. Feel free to have a look, in none of my posts do I refer to them as “Muslim”, only Asian.
Because I knew exactly what you were getting at, it wasn't really an assumption.like I said, if you're going down this route, I'm out.
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I wasn’t getting at anyone’s religion, you’ve incorrectly assumed that I was.

Own it, learn from it, move on from it.
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I wasn’t getting at anyone’s religion, you’ve incorrectly assumed that I was.

Own it, learn from it, move on.
I'm talking generally, no need for your condescension it doesn't suit

But if you want to call out those regions of the globe, let's see you do or present the maths to back it up.

Otherwise it's nothing more than speculation and conjecture.
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Old 02-12-2019, 13:44   #51
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Well there is if you haven't got mathematical evidence to back up your point.

Lets see the crimes per % of total religion/race and then stack them up against offenses or acts of terror by whites/christian.

If you include Stalin and Hitler and furthermore if you want to go back to the Crusades. You'll find that the vast majority of serious crimes were caused by people of white or christian background.

Having a half indian (other races are available) member of your family doesn't stop preclude people from having racist tendencies

My brother in law and his father are both unfortunately racist. The irony being that my brother in law was rescued from Sierra Leonne as a small child...
You’re bringing religion in to it again. Shall you agree to not do that again?

Here’s a simple test: go to google and search “grooming gangs in court”. Come back and tell me how many hits DON’T involve men with Asian (not Muslim remember!!) names.

If you want to accuse me of racism you’ll need something a little stronger than that.

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I'm talking generally, no need for your condescension it doesn't suit

But if you want to call out those regions of the globe, let's see you do or present the maths to back it up.

Otherwise it's nothing more than speculation and conjecture.
Never said it was anything other than speculation. But please, you too try the Google search I mention above. Post your findings back here?

And if you don’t want me to be condescending, don’t attribute words to me that I neither said or meant.
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You’re bringing religion in to it again. Shall you agree to not do that again?

Here’s a simple test: go to google and search “grooming gangs in court”. Come back and tell me how many hits DON’T involve men with Asian (not Muslim remember!!) names.

If you want to accuse me of racism you’ll need something a little stronger than that.

Please point out where i specifically accused you of racism?

I'll go and lookup grooming gangs in court once you've looked up my previous post.

Until then, you remain speaking from a position of ignorance.
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Old 02-12-2019, 13:49   #53
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Please point out where i specifically accused you of racism?

I'll go and lookup grooming gangs in court once you've looked up my previous post.

Until then, you remain speaking from a position of ignorance.
I said “If you want to”. Not “You have”.

Your turn.
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I said “If you want to”. Not “You have”.

Your turn.

Where did I specifically accuse you of racism?
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We had 3 cats, a white one, a black one and a ginger one.

All 3 cats were treated equally, and were quite happy to live together as long as the were fed, watered, and given some love and attention.

Sadly the ginger one was hit and killed by a car.

We didn't suspect the driver of being in any way racist towards the ginger one.

Stupid as it seems, some people in the world may well have found an argument to do so . .
We had 3 cats, a white one, a black one and a ginger one.

The Ginger cat was treated differently to the other 2, it was pushed away because people said it was different, said it didn’t belong in our house or got on with the other cats, and if any damage was done that we knew was caused by a cat, we automatically blamed the ginger cat.

Sadly the ginger cat became unfriendly and scratched people, so it proved we were right about ginger cats...

Stupid as it seems, some people in the world may well have blamed the way we treated the cat as somehow contributing to it’s behaviours...
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Where did I specifically accuse you of racism?
(Sigh)

I didn’t say that you did. I said what to do IF you were going to. As in, “not actually happened”.

In case you were. Make sense now?
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Well there is if you haven't got mathematical evidence to back up your point.

Lets see the crimes per % of total religion/race and then stack them up against offenses or acts of terror by whites/christian.

If you include Stalin and Hitler and furthermore if you want to go back to the Crusades. You'll find that the vast majority of serious crimes were caused by people of white or christian background.

Having a half indian (other races are available) member of your family doesn't stop preclude people from having racist tendencies

My brother in law and his father are both unfortunately racist. The irony being that my brother in law was rescued from Sierra Leonne as a small child...
Are you serious?

We are talking about todays’ phenomena of a particular kind. Today’s phenomena occur in todays’s context and jihadism goes back hundreds of years as a belief and is now being applied by those fanatics.

This has nothing to do with “normal” crime and also nothing to with Hitler/Stalin.

Which brings me to “Islamophobia”; this term needs proper definition because a phobia is irrational. Many people would say that they fear jihadism and have a problem on the bus or tube knowing whether or not they are in danger.

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I didn’t say that you did. I said what to do IF you were going to. As in, “not actually happened”.

In case you were. Make sense now?
(sigh) your statement implied that i had.

Let's not get into an argument on semantics or we will be hear until god knows when

If you choose to believe that it's acceptable to judge situations on past occurrences without at least some knowledge of the present situation. then that's your choice. personally I think it's wrong.

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Are you serious?

We are talking about todays’ phenomena of a particular kind. Today’s phenomena occur in todays’s context and jihadism goes back hundreds of years as a belief and is now being applied by those fanatics.

This has nothing to do with “normal” crime and also nothing to with Hitler/Stalin.

Which brings me to “Islamophobia”; this term needs proper definition because a phobia is irrational. Many people would say that they fear jihadism and have a problem on the bus or tube knowing whether or not they are in danger.

Perfectly,

if people want to make assumptions that a certain race or religions then it has to be all crimes committed by all races or religions over the entire recorded history.

That's the only way to get a true result. Anything else is just a skewed data set.

Which of course will suit some in society.....

'We are talking about todays’ phenomena of a particular kind.' which people then seek to generalize against certain races or religions. a perfect example of skewing the data to fit the requirements

Or, take one offence and then calculate all instances of that offence by either race or religion and then express it as a percentage of the overall amount of that race or religsion
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(sigh) your statement implied that i had.

Let's not get into an argument on semantics or we will be hear until god knows when

If you choose to believe that it's acceptable to judge situations on past occurrences without at least some knowledge of the present situation. then that's your choice. personally I think it's wrong.

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Perfectly,

if people want to make assumptions that a certain race or religions then it has to be all crimes committed by all races or religions over the entire recorded history.

That's the only way to get a true result. Anything else is just a skewed data set.

Which of course will suit some in society.....

'We are talking about todays’ phenomena of a particular kind.' which people then seek to generalize against certain races or religions. a perfect example of skewing the data to fit the requirements
Ok but I can’t be held responsible for you misreading what I have clearly said. After all, the words are right there.

You think it’s wrong? Cool, I think it’s ok.
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Ok but I can’t be held responsible for you misreading what I have clearly said. After all, the words are right there.

You think it’s wrong? Cool, I think it’s ok.
I would hope that the majority of decent society the world over doesn't
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