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Old 30-11-2019, 13:26   #16
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Re: London Bridge armed incident

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It was the police that shot and killed him,the public were very brave to tackle him but these idiots should always be shot dead to keep the rest of society safe.
But it was the public that "put an end to his wrongdoing" and prevented further casualties. The police action was probably concerned with the fake suicide vest and that it might be real.
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Old 30-11-2019, 15:10   #17
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But it was the public that "put an end to his wrongdoing" and prevented further casualties. The police action was probably concerned with the fake suicide vest and that it might be real.
The police action was absolutely due to the apparent suicide vest, which if real could easily be triggered by its wearer even when lying on the ground with someone on top of him.

The public did not manifestly disarm him, or put an end to his wrongdoing, despite bringing him to the ground and relieving him of his knife. The attacker intended to present himself as a lethal threat to anyone nearby, by wearing what appeared to be a suicide vest. That being the case, the police could only end his wrongdoing with any confidence by shooting him dead. This is what they are trained to do.

It's important that this is seen for what it was, a split second decision taken to prevent greater loss of life, and not police taking vengeance or carrying out a death sentence on someone.

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Old 30-11-2019, 15:13   #18
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Re: 2 Dead, 3 injured in London Bridge Terrorist incident

This is a headline I never expected to see
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Narwhal tusk and fire extinguisher used to tackle London Bridge attacker
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Can we? Why not just wait for the facts, why do we have to guess? It serves no purpose in reality.
Did you honestly, in all seriousness expect him to be linked to any other religion?
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Did you honestly, in all seriousness expect him to be linked to any other religion?
Well...

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Since 2017, the police have disrupted 22 terrorist plots, seven of which were related to extreme right-wing ideologies. Right wing terrorism remains a relatively small threat, but it is growing. That is why this Government is taking urgent action to tackle it...

...While the threat we face from Islamist terrorism remains high, we have seen a worrying rise in the warped ideology of the far-right. This year saw the conviction of a dangerous neo-Nazi, whose plot to kill his local MP as well as a police officer was shocking in its cold brutality. Fortunately, he was arrested and has been given a life sentence before he was able to cause harm to our society.

In another sad case a white supremacist in Surrey attacked cars with a baseball bat before brutally stabbing a teenager, inspired by the livestream of the New Zealand mosque attack. He was jailed for over 18 years.
They are all twisted idiots, but to take the approach that it is always going to be an Islamist twisted idiot is to not be congruent with the actuality (about a 1/3rd of terrorist plots disrupted by the UK Security Services are extreme right-wing).
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Re: 2 Dead, 3 injured in London Bridge Terrorist incident

But...we were not wrong. And given the early details of these events (and especially this one) if I was a betting man I probably wouldn’t be out of pocket if we’d gone on gut instinct.
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The public did not manifestly disarm him, or put an end to his wrongdoing, despite bringing him to the ground and relieving him of his knife.
He had another knife taped to his hand....
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Re: 2 Dead, 3 injured in London Bridge Terrorist incident

I think we should back the cop(s) who shot the terrorist dead when they saw his bomb vest.


OK, it was fake, but they didn't know that and if it had been real god knows the death toll.
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Re: 2 Dead, 3 injured in London Bridge Terrorist incident

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The guys an idiot.

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The guys an idiot.

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Everyone released, both loyalist and nationalist, under the Good Friday Agreement would still have had to serve full sentences if that was the case.

Likely a deal breaker given the number, on both sides, in the Maze.
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Everyone released, both loyalist and nationalist, under the Good Friday Agreement would still have had to serve full sentences if that was the case.

Likely a deal breaker given the number, on both sides, in the Maze.
Did Irish terrorists wear suicide vests? Did Islamist terrorists provide warnings of a strike?
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Did Irish terrorists wear suicide vests? Did Islamist terrorists provide warnings of a strike?
I'm not sure the bereaved, or their families, care for the distinction to be honest.
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I'm not sure the bereaved, or their families, care for the distinction to be honest.
A typically shallow answer from you that entirely misses the point.
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A typically shallow answer from you that entirely misses the point.
“Typically” is rather disrespectful to be honest. Nor have I actually missed the point. Far more people have died on these islands on both sides of the Irish divide than at the hands of Islamic fundamentalists.

I’m not sure why a white terrorist is any more worthy of release than a brown one. Rehabilitation is rehabilitation.

NOTE: I’m not claiming in any way shape or form the attacker the other day was rehabilitated or shouldn’t have been shot given the circumstances. Before anyone twists my words.
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