Home News Forum Articles
  Welcome back Join CF
You are here You are here: Home | Forum | Election 2019 - Week 4

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most of the discussions, articles and other free features. By joining our Virgin Media community you will have full access to all discussions, be able to view and post threads, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload your own images/photos, and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please join our community today.


Welcome to Cable Forum
Go Back   Cable Forum > General Discussion > Current Affairs

Election 2019 - Week 4
View Poll Results: Your voting intention at this stage of the campaign
Labour 11 25.58%
Conservative 19 44.19%
Liberal Democrat 3 6.98%
UKIP 0 0%
Brexit 3 6.98%
Green 0 0%
Change UK 0 0%
Plaid Cymru 0 0%
SNP 1 2.33%
Irish Nationalist 1 2.33%
Irish unionist 0 0%
Other 1 2.33%
Abstaining 2 4.65%
Ineligible 0 0%
Undecided 2 4.65%
Voters: 43. You may not vote on this poll

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old 30-11-2019, 20:42   #61
jfman
Architect of Ideas
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 3,397
jfman has reached the bronze age
jfman has reached the bronze agejfman has reached the bronze agejfman has reached the bronze agejfman has reached the bronze agejfman has reached the bronze agejfman has reached the bronze age
Re: Election 2019 - Week 4

Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY View Post
No amount of pontification on your part will convince anyone that the debt crisis was caused by Labour. But I have to give it to you, you have a talent for attempting to convince us that black is white. You are not succeeding.
Iíll never convince you, Old Boy, given the frankly ridiculous depths you will go to in order to defend the Conservatives at all cost. It would be admirable, if it wasnít so perverse, given your propensity to ignore all objective fact and economic data since 1979.
jfman is offline  
Advertisement
Old 30-11-2019, 20:45   #62
OLD BOY
Experience is everything
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Wokingham
Services: 2 V6 boxes; Ultimate oomph; Now TV, Amazon and Netflix; VM broadband and landline
Posts: 10,242
OLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze array
OLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze array
Re: Election 2019 - Week 4

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh View Post
But would enter a transition period during which it would continue to follow all EU rules and regulations and continue to pay the same amount of money into the EU budget, and the transition would be due to end in December 2020.

So we would have left the EU, but still following all the rules and pay the same as before
- is that like leaving home, but still sleeping in the same bedroom, eating meals with the family, and paying your share of the bills?
But that couldn't be avoided if we want the breathing space. The withdrawal agreement is only for a year, so what's the problem?
OLD BOY is offline  
Old 30-11-2019, 20:47   #63
Sephiroth
Simples
 
Sephiroth's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: RG41
Services: Vivid 200;Hub 3 MM; ASUS RT-AC68U. BT Infinity2; Tivo; V6; XL Phone; Devolo 1200AV
Posts: 6,735
Sephiroth has a bronze arraySephiroth has a bronze arraySephiroth has a bronze array
Sephiroth has a bronze arraySephiroth has a bronze arraySephiroth has a bronze arraySephiroth has a bronze arraySephiroth has a bronze arraySephiroth has a bronze arraySephiroth has a bronze arraySephiroth has a bronze arraySephiroth has a bronze arraySephiroth has a bronze arraySephiroth has a bronze arraySephiroth has a bronze arraySephiroth has a bronze arraySephiroth has a bronze arraySephiroth has a bronze arraySephiroth has a bronze arraySephiroth has a bronze array
Re: Election 2019 - Week 4

Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY View Post
No amount of pontification on your part will convince anyone that the debt crisis was caused by Labour. But I have to give it to you, you have a talent for attempting to convince us that black is white. You are not succeeding.

---------- Post added at 19:42 ---------- Previous post was at 19:40 ----------



That's right. Brexit will have happened once we start negotiating a trade deal. The remainers do seem to be very confused about this whole subject.
They are not confused at all, OB. They are deliberately putting out disinformation.
__________________
Seph.

My advice is at your risk.
Sephiroth is offline  
Old 30-11-2019, 20:50   #64
OLD BOY
Experience is everything
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Wokingham
Services: 2 V6 boxes; Ultimate oomph; Now TV, Amazon and Netflix; VM broadband and landline
Posts: 10,242
OLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze array
OLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze array
Re: Election 2019 - Week 4

Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman View Post
Iíll never convince you, Old Boy, given the frankly ridiculous depths you will go to in order to defend the Conservatives at all cost. It would be admirable, if it wasnít so perverse, given your propensity to ignore all objective fact and economic data since 1979.
The majority of the electorate disagree with you and will be voting accordingly.
OLD BOY is offline  
Old 30-11-2019, 20:57   #65
jfman
Architect of Ideas
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 3,397
jfman has reached the bronze age
jfman has reached the bronze agejfman has reached the bronze agejfman has reached the bronze agejfman has reached the bronze agejfman has reached the bronze agejfman has reached the bronze age
Re: Election 2019 - Week 4

Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY View Post
The majority of the electorate disagree with you and will be voting accordingly.
Ah that old chestnut. Itís sad to see the straw you clutch to given your inability to articulate a coherent response to my many, many valid points.

The ďmajority of the electorateĒ doesnít mean your stance has any grounds in economic reality. Voters can vote for many reasons beamed into their eyeballs from a small number of billionaire newspaper barons.

Indeed you yourself said, and I did concede the point, that voters in principle donít want to pay more tax. They equally donít want to face up to the consequences of not doing so - 2 trillion of debt.
jfman is offline  
Old 30-11-2019, 22:37   #66
Hugh
Hic Sunt Dracones
Cable Forum Team
 
Hugh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Age: 63
Services: Premiere Collection
Posts: 33,670
Hugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden aura
Hugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden aura
Re: Election 2019 - Week 4

Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY View Post
But that couldn't be avoided if we want the breathing space. The withdrawal agreement is only for a year, so what's the problem?
Itís not what was said..

Quote:
We will leave the EU, he says, on 31-Jan-20 if he has a majority. That's what we all understand by "getting Brexit done"
__________________
If my post is in bold and this colour, it's a Moderator Request.
Hugh is offline  
Old 01-12-2019, 01:02   #67
OLD BOY
Experience is everything
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Wokingham
Services: 2 V6 boxes; Ultimate oomph; Now TV, Amazon and Netflix; VM broadband and landline
Posts: 10,242
OLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze array
OLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze arrayOLD BOY has a bronze array
Re: Election 2019 - Week 4

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh View Post
Itís not what was said..
You said: 'So we would have left the EU, but still following all the rules and pay the same as before.'

That is what I was responding to. I did highlight your remarks in bold.

If Labour were in charge, your comment would be relevant, because he is going for Brino (or remain).
OLD BOY is offline  
Old 01-12-2019, 11:57   #68
papa smurf
vox populi vox dei
 
papa smurf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: the last resort
Services: every thing
Posts: 10,636
papa smurf has a pair of shiny starspapa smurf has a pair of shiny stars
papa smurf has a pair of shiny starspapa smurf has a pair of shiny stars
Re: Election 2019 - Week 4

Interesting piece in the telegraph.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...-anti-semitic/


https://antisemitism.uk/caa-and-kcl-...semitic-views/
__________________
links posted from news sources are not necessarily my opinion
i don't have the time or the crayons to keep explaining this
papa smurf is offline  
Old 01-12-2019, 14:10   #69
Chris
Trollsplatter
Cable Forum Team
 
Chris's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: North of Watford
Services: Humane elimination of all common Internet pests
Posts: 32,358
Chris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden aura
Chris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden auraChris has a golden aura
Re: Election 2019 - Week 4

Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf View Post
Choice quote from the second link:

Quote:
Gideon Falter, Chief Executive of Campaign Against Antisemitism, said: ďFar from being the champion of anti-racism that it holds itself out to be, the far-left is now home to even more anti-Jewish bigotry than the far-right. Nowhere is that more obvious than in the Labour Party, whose Jeremy Corbyn is now the politician of choice for antisemites."
And, crucially:

Quote:
The YouGov survey was designed and analysed by Dr Daniel Allington of Kingís College London. The polling was conducted prior to a General Election being called.
In other words, this isn't a politically motivated smear campaign against grandpa Corbyn and it isn't a reaction to the stuff that's been in the news during the election campaign.

Of course those who refuse to believe Corbyn's Labour Party has a very specific problem with this will continue to play whataboutery over the Tories' perceived failings, or put it down to Tory bias at the heart of British Jewry (laughable considering the well known, historic links between British Jews and the Labour movement).
Chris is offline  
Old 01-12-2019, 15:46   #70
jfman
Architect of Ideas
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 3,397
jfman has reached the bronze age
jfman has reached the bronze agejfman has reached the bronze agejfman has reached the bronze agejfman has reached the bronze agejfman has reached the bronze agejfman has reached the bronze age
Re: Election 2019 - Week 4

The only thing laughable is that after 4 years people think that smear will still fly.
jfman is offline  
Old 01-12-2019, 16:57   #71
Hugh
Hic Sunt Dracones
Cable Forum Team
 
Hugh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Age: 63
Services: Premiere Collection
Posts: 33,670
Hugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden aura
Hugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden auraHugh has a golden aura
Re: Election 2019 - Week 4

BJ telling fibs on Andrew Marr this morning, saying the Queen's Speech, which set out his plans for government, including a bill to prevent automatic early release of prisoners, had been "blocked by Parliament" - it passed by 16 votes...

Linky - 24th October 2019

Quote:
MPs have approved the Queen's Speech, which sets out Boris Johnson's priorities for the parliamentary session, by 310 votes to 294...

...The Queen's Speech sets out 26 bills, covering areas including Brexit, criminal justice and the NHS.
__________________
If my post is in bold and this colour, it's a Moderator Request.
Hugh is offline  
Old 01-12-2019, 17:03   #72
jfman
Architect of Ideas
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 3,397
jfman has reached the bronze age
jfman has reached the bronze agejfman has reached the bronze agejfman has reached the bronze agejfman has reached the bronze agejfman has reached the bronze agejfman has reached the bronze age
Re: Election 2019 - Week 4

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh View Post
BJ telling fibs on Andrew Marr this morning, saying the Queen's Speech, which set out his plans for government, including a bill to prevent automatic early release of prisoners, had been "blocked by Parliament" - it passed by 16 votes...

Linky - 24th October 2019
Hence his absolute fear of any kind of scrutiny.
jfman is offline  
Old 01-12-2019, 18:31   #73
nomadking
cf.mega poster
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Northampton
Services: Virgin Media TV&BB 350Mb, V6 STB
Posts: 5,415
nomadking has a bronzed appealnomadking has a bronzed appeal
nomadking has a bronzed appealnomadking has a bronzed appealnomadking has a bronzed appealnomadking has a bronzed appealnomadking has a bronzed appealnomadking has a bronzed appealnomadking has a bronzed appeal
Re: Election 2019 - Week 4

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh View Post
BJ telling fibs on Andrew Marr this morning, saying the Queen's Speech, which set out his plans for government, including a bill to prevent automatic early release of prisoners, had been "blocked by Parliament" - it passed by 16 votes...

Linky - 24th October 2019
1) That was the speech as a whole, not any specific proposals which are yet to be put forward.
2) The election has cancelled that set of general proposals.
3) The need for an election has been the thing that blocked any proposals.
nomadking is offline  
Old 01-12-2019, 18:40   #74
jfman
Architect of Ideas
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 3,397
jfman has reached the bronze age
jfman has reached the bronze agejfman has reached the bronze agejfman has reached the bronze agejfman has reached the bronze agejfman has reached the bronze agejfman has reached the bronze age
Re: Election 2019 - Week 4

Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking View Post
1) That was the speech as a whole, not any specific proposals which are yet to be put forward.
2) The election has cancelled that set of general proposals.
3) The need for an election has been the thing that blocked any proposals.
A rather perverse outlook on Parliamentary democracy, I’ll give you that. Especially as it was a Government Bill that led to said election.
jfman is offline  
Old 01-12-2019, 19:03   #75
nomadking
cf.mega poster
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Northampton
Services: Virgin Media TV&BB 350Mb, V6 STB
Posts: 5,415
nomadking has a bronzed appealnomadking has a bronzed appeal
nomadking has a bronzed appealnomadking has a bronzed appealnomadking has a bronzed appealnomadking has a bronzed appealnomadking has a bronzed appealnomadking has a bronzed appealnomadking has a bronzed appeal
Re: Election 2019 - Week 4

Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman View Post
A rather perverse outlook on Parliamentary democracy, I’ll give you that. Especially as it was a Government Bill that led to said election.
Because of the blocking of Brexit by Parliament. What specific measures in that Speech have been implemented or turned down? Approval of the Queen's speech is usually a formality. Absolutely nothing is brought into law as a result of it.

Just completely ludicrous to suggest that Labour or the Lib Dems would be harder on criminals, especially terrorists.

A monitoring tag is only really useful after any crime. It might deter burglars or somebody hoping to get away with a crime, but it would hardly be a deterrent to a suicide bomber/attacker.

What specifically did he refer to?
nomadking is offline  
Closed Thread


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 08:26.


Server: xenon.zmnt.net
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions Inc.