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Election 2019 - Week 4
View Poll Results: Your voting intention at this stage of the campaign
Labour 11 25.58%
Conservative 19 44.19%
Liberal Democrat 3 6.98%
UKIP 0 0%
Brexit 3 6.98%
Green 0 0%
Change UK 0 0%
Plaid Cymru 0 0%
SNP 1 2.33%
Irish Nationalist 1 2.33%
Irish unionist 0 0%
Other 1 2.33%
Abstaining 2 4.65%
Ineligible 0 0%
Undecided 2 4.65%
Voters: 43. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 28-11-2019, 00:12   #1
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Election 2019 - Week 4

Here we go round the mulberry bush ...

Election chat continues right here in the shiny, new, yet darkly familiar, Election 2019 thread, week 4.
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Meanwhile the lib dumbs are printing their own fake news papers.

https://www.express.co.uk/showbiz/tv...son-newspapers


The party mocked up some publications which looked similar to local newspapers in each area they dropped them, but people branded them “misleading”.
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Meanwhile the lib dumbs are printing their own fake news papers.

https://www.express.co.uk/showbiz/tv...son-newspapers


The party mocked up some publications which looked similar to local newspapers in each area they dropped them, but people branded them “misleading”.
That shouldn’t be allowed - misrepresenting / misleading is wrong, whoever does it.
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Meanwhile the lib dumbs are printing their own fake news papers.

https://www.express.co.uk/showbiz/tv...son-newspapers


The party mocked up some publications which looked similar to local newspapers in each area they dropped them, but people branded them “misleading”.
Wtf is going on, this nonsense follows on from the tories fake fact checking twitter account and the labour manifesto page they set up, how much more does politics have to be corrupted before we say that's enough and start holding them to account properly, it's like the work of some amateur third world junta
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Boris Johnson is on course for a storming 68-seat majority, according to a detailed seat-by-seat survey that correctly forecast the election results in 2017.

The YouGov MRP poll for The Times - the only one to predict Theresa May would lose her majority - forecasts Mr Johnson will win 359 seats in a triumphant return to No 10, up 42 on the 2017 result.

Jeremy Corbyn's Labour Party is poised for disaster and will win 211 seats, down 51 from two years ago, when the country goes to the polls on December 12, according to the Times opinion poll.
Original article in the Times on red link for those who have access.

Well we all know what we think about polls, but this was the one to correctly call the last election and is also over 100,000 sample so must have some credence even though, as admitted, there is a +/-5% margin of error.
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Wtf is going on, this nonsense follows on from the tories fake fact checking twitter account and the labour manifesto page they set up, how much more does politics have to be corrupted before we say that's enough and start holding them to account properly, it's like the work of some amateur third world junta
This is an absolutely standard Lib Dem tactic. They’ve been at it for years.
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This is an absolutely standard Lib Dem tactic. They’ve been at it for years.
Oh, unlike the Tories and their 'fact check' twitter fraud.
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Neither Labour nor Tories have credible plans to manage public finances' - IFS

https://news.sky.com/story/general-e...estos-11872231
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Oh, unlike the Tories and their 'fact check' twitter fraud.
Well yes, as it happens. Unless you have proof of them changing the name of their Twitter feed prior to this election?

The Lib Dems on the other hand are absolutely famous for the ‘fake local newspaper’ trick. They have literally been using it in by elections and general elections for years.
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BJ didn't think austerity was the right thing to do...

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Oh, unlike the Tories and their 'fact check' twitter fraud.
Welcome to the world of fake news, Mr K. No need to call out the Conservative Party - they are all at it. You know what they say, fight fire with fire.

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Original article in the Times on red link for those who have access.

Well we all know what we think about polls, but this was the one to correctly call the last election and is also over 100,000 sample so must have some credence even though, as admitted, there is a +/-5% margin of error.
Yes, I saw that.

Additionally, the Telegraph has reported today that a Savanta ComRes survey found that more than a third (36 per cent) of Labour 2017 voters and 29 per cent of current Labour voters say they like the party but not the leader, while two in five (42 per cent) Lib Dem voters like Labour but not Mr Corbyn. While Mr Corbyn seems to be holding Labour back, Mr Johnson is adding value to the Tories. One in ten (11 per cent) of those intending to vote Conservative said they liked him, but not the Conservative Party – suggesting he has single-handedly brought in 11 per cent of the Conservative’s current voter group.

So much for those who didn't think Boris would be a popular choice with the electorate. I told you he would be - you heard it here first!

Incidentally, I think he will be even more popular by election day, particularly if Corbyn comes up with more spending pledges and more false claims about what the Conservatives plan to do when elected.

What these polls can't predict, of course, is how many voters will stay at home. Given Corbyn's standing with Labour supporters, it would not be surprising if a lot of his dissillusioned members stayed at home rather than vote for another party. That will increase Boris's lead still further.

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Neither Labour nor Tories have credible plans to manage public finances' - IFS

https://news.sky.com/story/general-e...estos-11872231
We know the Labour Party would sink us into huge debt if they tried to implement all their promises.

Boris's spending plans are much more modest, and while the means of paying for what he has promised may not have been specified, he has pledged to stick within Sajid's spending rules. I dare say they are expecting to be able to get more tax receipts in with the Brexit bounce and the end to uncertainty.
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Welcome to the world of fake news, Mr K. No need to call out the Conservative Party - they are all at it. You know what they say, fight fire with fire.

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Yes, I saw that.

Additionally, the Telegraph has reported today that a Savanta ComRes survey found that more than a third (36 per cent) of Labour 2017 voters and 29 per cent of current Labour voters say they like the party but not the leader, while two in five (42 per cent) Lib Dem voters like Labour but not Mr Corbyn. While Mr Corbyn seems to be holding Labour back, Mr Johnson is adding value to the Tories. One in ten (11 per cent) of those intending to vote Conservative said they liked him, but not the Conservative Party – suggesting he has single-handedly brought in 11 per cent of the Conservative’s current voter group.

So much for those who didn't think Boris would be a popular choice with the electorate. I told you he would be - you heard it here first!

Incidentally, I think he will be even more popular by election day, particularly if Corbyn comes up with more spending pledges and more false claims about what the Conservatives plan to do when elected.

What these polls can't predict, of course, is how many voters will stay at home. Given Corbyn's standing with Labour supporters, it would not be surprising if a lot of his dissillusioned members stayed at home rather than vote for another party. That will increase Boris's lead still further.

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We know the Labour Party would sink us into huge debt if they tried to implement all their promises.

Boris's spending plans are much more modest, and while the means of paying for what he has promised may not have been specified, he has pledged to stick within Sajid's spending rules. I dare say they are expecting to be able to get more tax receipts in with the Brexit bounce and the end to uncertainty.
I eagerly await jfman’s response, OB!
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The party mocked up some publications which looked similar to local newspapers in each area they dropped them, but people branded them “misleading”.
Delivered my share of these today. All clearly saying "Delivered By Liberal Democrats in the "Insert relevant area" Right under the paper name. Can't get more obvious.

Odd how this is the first time for complaints, despite all parties using this method of communicating. Obviously caused some panic somewhere.
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Delivered my share of these today. All clearly saying "Delivered By Liberal Democrats in the "Insert relevant area" Right under the paper name. Can't get more obvious.

Odd how this is the first time for complaints, despite all parties using this method of communicating. Obviously caused some panic somewhere.
I suppose people will be grateful if they run out of toilet paper.
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