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Old 20-04-2018, 18:41   #2551
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Re: Brexit discussion

Andrew just for once try being even a little bit balanced your so quick to have a go at the UK government but extremely rarely do you lay anything at the door of the EU who are being deliberately difficult and making this process a lot harder then it has to be. As I've said and the videos on youtube show even MEP's from other countries are criticising the EU for it's approach to these negotiations and as time goes by with the EU kicking every UK proposal into the long grass and sticking to stupid demands the more support the UK will get and the more damage will be done to the EU.

Personally after some recent information that doesn't have a website so I can't give a link came up I'm hoping the EU continues as it has so far.
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Old 20-04-2018, 19:10   #2552
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Andrew just for once try being even a little bit balanced your so quick to have a go at the UK government but extremely rarely do you lay anything at the door of the EU who are being deliberately difficult and making this process a lot harder then it has to be. As I've said and the videos on youtube show even MEP's from other countries are criticising the EU for it's approach to these negotiations and as time goes by with the EU kicking every UK proposal into the long grass and sticking to stupid demands the more support the UK will get and the more damage will be done to the EU.

Personally after some recent information that doesn't have a website so I can't give a link came up I'm hoping the EU continues as it has so far.
I describe it as I see it after lots of reading and careful analysis and nothing short of a Customs Union will resolve the Irish situation. No ifs, buts, or maybes. No amount of wishful thinking or speeches by the odd Dutch MEP will alter the situation. Ireland does not want a hard border due to peace concerns. If you can persuade Ireland that it's wrong or the WTO to accept a change in its rules then the situation will be resolved without a Customs Union but no one's done that so far.
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Old 20-04-2018, 19:16   #2553
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Re: Brexit discussion

Can we just not give Northern Ireland independence?

They can then choose who they want to cuddle up with and we have one less problem to solve
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Re: Brexit discussion

Not just the odd dutch mep also german, french, italian, hungarian and polish mep's pushing for a change in the EU's approach but it's good you've looked into it enough to understand just how much opposition there is to the EU's tactics. If the UK doesn't implement a hard border as we have said we won't then it's not the UK government being the problem is it we've put forward suggestions that could avoid it but the EU isn't interested. As more and more people are realising it's not because this cannot be resolved it's because senior figures in the EU want a punishment based deal to try and scare anyone else from leaving the EU in the future.
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Not just the odd dutch mep also german, french, italian, hungarian and polish mep's pushing for a change in the EU's approach but it's good you've looked into it enough to understand just how much opposition there is to the EU's tactics. If the UK doesn't implement a hard border as we have said we won't then it's not the UK government being the problem is it we've put forward suggestions that could avoid it but the EU isn't interested. As more and more people are realising it's not because this cannot be resolved it's because senior figures in the EU want a punishment based deal to try and scare anyone else from leaving the EU in the future.
It's great to have critical MEPs providing they're constructive and actually turn up.
It's not a punishment, it's a fact of WTO rules that require borders to be enforced. That's why Brextremists who suggest Ireland should leave the EU and enter into a customs union with the UK make more sense than people putting their head in the sand and say the EU is being difficult over Ireland.

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Can we just not give Northern Ireland independence?

They can then choose who they want to cuddle up with and we have one less problem to solve
That would result in the end of the UK and the end of the Government, as it's supported by the DUP. Apart from that, it's a goer.
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Not just the odd dutch mep also german, french, italian, hungarian and polish mep's pushing for a change in the EU's approach but it's good you've looked into it enough to understand just how much opposition there is to the EU's tactics. If the UK doesn't implement a hard border as we have said we won't then it's not the UK government being the problem is it we've put forward suggestions that could avoid it but the EU isn't interested. As more and more people are realising it's not because this cannot be resolved it's because senior figures in the EU want a punishment based deal to try and scare anyone else from leaving the EU in the future.
I guess you are referred no to the debate on the guidelines for future EU/UK relations on the 13th and 14th March. The advisory resolution was passed 511 votes to 110 with 51 abstentions. I will try and get a breakdown of who vote for what a bit later but here’s the document - https://g8fip1kplyr33r3krz5b97d1-wpe...idelines-1.pdf and here’s the voting result - http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/...EN&language=EN

Ok, found it. You may need to register - http://www.votewatch.eu/en/term8-gui...te-tabs-list-4

UK MEPs voted 8 for and 38 against. For other countries, France voted 46 for and 22 against and Denmark voted 7 for and 5 against. Those were the close ones.

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