19-05-2021, 16:14
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Carth
You mean . . no vaccine passport = no work?
Best of luck managing the legislation that prevents anyone without a 'vaccine passport' from attending a work place they're contracted to.
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It's a toughie making workplace vaccination compulsory - it has never really been tested in the UK properly. Vaccination is part of my employment contract but that is because I visit customers abroad whose sites make vaccination against measles and hepatitis compulsory for entry. If I wasn't vaccinated, I couldn't work at those sites so, in a sense, vaccination is a requirement for my job. I would not be surprised if at some point, COVID vaccines will be required by some of my customers so therefore, will be necessary for my work.
Hey, it's like I need to have a passport and driving licence. If I refused to have one or the other, I would be able to work either.
You could argue that vaccination is needed under health and safety rules. In healthcare settings, COVID 19 is a notifiable disease under UK rules (RIDDOR) so vaccination is a potential route to reduce this type of 'workplace injury'.
There's always likely to be a point where the Human Rights protections will take up precedence for those who decline vaccinations for religious or other protected characteristics.
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19-05-2021, 16:21
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#5192
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Carth
What about traveling to work using said services? Would this prevent me from attending work until I got a vaccine passport?
And what then would my employment status be? Sick, Furloughed?, Sacked?
Is there a case for discrimination? (over to you Richard lol) or similar claim where my 'right to work' is compromised?
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I'd suspect employers will offer new contracts with new terms the stipulation being that unless medically exempt (and you can provide proof) you must have had your jabs (and again provide proof) otherwise you're basically doing yourself out of a job. See ya.....
potential legal minefield.
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19-05-2021, 16:23
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#5193
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY
He’s not a scientist.
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He is.
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Even with hospital admissions remaining flat?
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They won't stay flat by themselves.
If you want to make the claim the Government won't introduce some kind of Covid certification for domestic events then knock yourself out. We can add it to the list once you are proven wrong.
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19-05-2021, 16:27
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#5194
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Re: Coronavirus
Follow the science, the plughole is large enough
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19-05-2021, 16:59
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#5195
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by jonbxx
It's a toughie making workplace vaccination compulsory - it has never really been tested in the UK properly. Vaccination is part of my employment contract but that is because I visit customers abroad whose sites make vaccination against measles and hepatitis compulsory for entry. If I wasn't vaccinated, I couldn't work at those sites so, in a sense, vaccination is a requirement for my job. I would not be surprised if at some point, COVID vaccines will be required by some of my customers so therefore, will be necessary for my work.
Hey, it's like I need to have a passport and driving licence. If I refused to have one or the other, I would be able to work either.
You could argue that vaccination is needed under health and safety rules. In healthcare settings, COVID 19 is a notifiable disease under UK rules (RIDDOR) so vaccination is a potential route to reduce this type of 'workplace injury'.
There's always likely to be a point where the Human Rights protections will take up precedence for those who decline vaccinations for religious or other protected characteristics.
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It is for those already employed as making vaccination mandatory would be a change of contract. That would open the door for discrimination claims if sacked for not being vaccinated. It would be a minefield unless the Gov made vaccinations compulsory but I doubt that would happen or if necessary cinsidering the success of the roll out so far, notwithstanding the resistance of certain communities so far.
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19-05-2021, 17:02
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by papa smurf
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Yup, agreed. Whilst a handful of passenger journeys from India may well be essential, I don't think that the number of flights reflects this.
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19-05-2021, 17:27
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Re: Coronavirus
Just been watching the Matt Hancock live feed and he said that ....
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We are using new techniques to identify the worst affected areas.
We are able to use two further tools - mobility data which shows travel patterns in different areas and analysis of waste water.
As a result of this we are now surge testing in Bedford, Burnley, Leicester, Kirklees, North Tyneside and Hounslow, he says.
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The analysis of waste water to identify areas of concern peaked my interest. I have to admit that I didn't know about this testing option. If anyone else is in the same boat here's a link that explains how an idea from earlier last year has become a reality.
We’re the poo crew’: sleuths test for Covid by reading signs in sewage
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19-05-2021, 17:32
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Re: Coronavirus
Sounds like a lot of shite.
On a serious note there's been instances of US colleges analysing waste from different dormitories/halls to target testing to identify cases.
https://www.npr.org/2020/10/26/92583...=1621441983564
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19-05-2021, 17:38
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Re: Coronavirus
I'm gonna start bottling mine and dump it in Hull
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19-05-2021, 17:40
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by jfman
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I do seem to remember, in the deep dark depths of my memories from the 70's something about a similar testing technique in connection with LSD.
From my link I liked the comment ....
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“It is like taking a stool sample from a collective bowel,” said James Trout, who oversees the laboratory.
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...... and suspect that it will be an image that lingers in my brain for some time.
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19-05-2021, 17:43
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Re: Coronavirus
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Malawi has destroyed almost 20,000 doses of the AstraZeneca vaccine, while South Sudan has 59,000 doses which it also plans to discard.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/56940657
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19-05-2021, 17:45
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Re: Coronavirus
All out of date stuff apparently, because all the scare stories surrounding the vaccines meant nobody wanted the jab.
What a waste eh
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19-05-2021, 17:55
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Carth
All out of date stuff apparently, because all the scare stories surrounding the vaccines meant nobody wanted the jab.
What a waste eh
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Well - one of the countries denies knowing there was an expiry date which seems like a considerable oversight.
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19-05-2021, 18:17
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Carth
I'm gonna start bottling mine and dump it in Hull
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I was there on Saturday smelt like someone beat you to it.
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19-05-2021, 22:15
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Re: Coronavirus
Oh bugger. It looks like that Indian variant isn't more transmissable as they thought.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...re-flattening-
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