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Old 12-06-2019, 15:10   #16
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Re: Freeview channel renumbering and hours changes

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Why would Discovery move their new acquisition Really? Out of its new portfolio lineup it's the 2nd highest rated and therefore it keeping the 2nd highest Discovery-owned Freeview EPG position makes perfect sense.

May's BARB ratings figures have just come out Quest 0.73, Really 0.67, Quest Red 0.50, DMAX 0.40, Home 0.29, Food Network 0.22

And I don't know know why Home would be axed, it's not that similar. The only other FTA of theirs, Travel Channel, they recently removed from Freeview, and its ratings at the time it was still on Freeview weren't much different than Home's in May.

Discovery will probably keep the portfolio as it is for 6 months to a year, assess them and then make a decision on the future of all their channels.
I was thinking maybe Discovery will axe Home brand for Home & Health.

We feel Discovery may axe some brands after they own the following brands in the UK:

-Really
-TLC
-I.D.
-Quest
-DMAX
-Quest Red
-Discovery Channel
-Animal Planet
-Discovery Science
-Discovery Turbo
-Discovery History
-Good Food
-Home
-Home & Health
-Discovery Shed
-Food Network
-Travel Channel

They may even launch an new brand called "Alaska Channel"

WHY?

If Discovery wants to axe some brands they can use slots for new +1 channels for Really and Discovery Shed or more HD Channels. Or even Sell the EPG slots on Sky to make some money.
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Old 12-06-2019, 15:55   #17
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Re: Freeview channel renumbering and hours changes

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I was thinking maybe Discovery will axe Home brand for Home & Health.

We feel Discovery may axe some brands after they own the following brands in the UK:

-Really
-TLC
-I.D.
-Quest
-DMAX
-Quest Red
-Discovery Channel
-Animal Planet
-Discovery Science
-Discovery Turbo
-Discovery History
-Good Food
-Home
-Home & Health
-Discovery Shed
-Food Network
-Travel Channel

They may even launch an new brand called "Alaska Channel"

WHY?

If Discovery wants to axe some brands they can use slots for new +1 channels for Really and Discovery Shed or more HD Channels. Or even Sell the EPG slots on Sky to make some money.
Re: Home/Home & Health. Maybe. I'm never totally convinced by merging similar Pay and Free channels. If they have shows in common, sure, if they are simply similar in type but not literally the same shows on both channels there's less savings to be made and they can't guarantee it would be worthwhile for them.
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Moving back on topic. Freeview EPG rules say that broadcasters can only shuffle channel numbers within their portfolio once every 12 months (or something like that), so both New UKTV and Discovery have used up their moves for a year. Home got to move twice in a number of days because of the ownership change between moves.
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Old 24-06-2019, 20:14   #18
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Re: Freeview channel renumbering and hours changes

More changes to True channels on Freeview
Source: www.truechannels.tv/about

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On 27th June True Entertainment will move from channel number 61 to channel number 48 and True Movies will move from Freeview channel number 62 to channel number 50. Both channels will only broadcast on Freeview in selected areas. You may have to retune to make these changes.
Could be Sony are drastically cutting costs if they are not using the wider reach multiplexes these two are on any more. They are currently on ArqA and ArqB but this implies at the same time they are getting better numbers they are moving to the Local multiplex which of course has worse coverage, but is much cheaper. Strange, if true, as they are much more popular than other channels in their portfolio.
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Re: Freeview channel renumbering and hours changes

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Could be Sony are drastically cutting costs if they are not using the wider reach multiplexes these two are on any more. They are currently on ArqA and ArqB but this implies at the same time they are getting better numbers they are moving to the Local multiplex which of course has worse coverage, but is much cheaper. Strange, if true, as they are much more popular than other channels in their portfolio.
Digital Bit Rate says:

Channel 48 is use right now for Movies4Men
Channel 50 is use right now for Movies4Men +1

Both are on Local Mux so Sony look set to axe Movies4Men on Freeview.
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Re: Freeview channel renumbering and hours changes

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Channel 48 is use right now for Movies4Men
Channel 50 is use right now for Movies4Men +1

Both are on Local Mux so Sony look set to axe Movies4Men on Freeview.
Both my TV tuner (which I did a manual scan on today) and DBR for me have M4M+1 on 48 and SMC+1 on 50 as they are meant to be until 27th. That must be a glitch you are looking at. Plus the main M4M is, IIRC, Sony's 2nd highest rating channel, so I doubt they would close it.

M4M+1 (and one other of Sony's channels) will likely be shunted to the Manchester multiplex to replace True Crime and True Crime +1 so Sony can keep as many of the channel numbers 4 channel numbers as possible.

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Re: Freeview channel renumbering and hours changes

From July 1st Spotlight TV, previously Keep It Country will move to Freeview Channel 264.

Keep It Country will stop broadcasting on Freeview Channel 87 as soon as Wednesday (June 26th) night.
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Re: Freeview channel renumbering and hours changes

I've come up with a number of new possibilities for the various Freeview goings on coming up, though some are rather convoluted. And since they are mostly going to happen later today I guess we'll see soon.

Right, the initial information suggested Keep It Country was leaving Freeview on 30th June. Apparently it's now today.

This 3 day difference sets up a whole array of possible moves, especially if you reassess previously said, but ambiguous information.

Firstly the date change makes it the same day as the Sony changes.
Sony said the True Entertainment and True Movies were moving to reduced areas of broadcast. Many assumed they were both headed to the Local multiplex especially since Keep It Country wasn't apparently moving until the 30th.

The date change brings Keep It Country's space into play, it has reduced coverage (it's not in Wales, E4 uses space there due to S4C needing space) so one of the True channels could go there.

There had been no information about Pop Max or Tiny Pop moving, so this would back this up, Movie4Men+1 would be the sole Local multiplex channel to be replaced by a True channel.

So Sony would be saving money as two 90% coverage spaces would be given up for a space they already pay for, with maybe (I'm guessing) 60% population coverage, and the KIC space must cost less as it's less than 90% (without Wales).

I have a feeling M4M+1 may have to close on Freeview rather than move to the Manchester multiplex as it moved recently, and Freeview EPG rules (probably) wouldn't allow it (unless there is a loophole, as it was Sony Crime +1 in that space and changed at time of the number move). I suspect the True +1 channel on 75 would be moved to 61 (or 62) to take up the spare number and keep it in Sony's possession. They will probably give up position 75.

True Crime and it's +1 closing bring a further possibility into the mix on both Sky and Freeview. The guide data goes on until 30th. What if Sony have sold the channel and the deal goes through between the 28th and 30th. Sony could be doing what BBC and Discovery did with the double renumbering over a 3 day period with Home. Home got position 12 for a couple days so that Discovery would get the number and it was then allocated to Quest.

I'm suggesting maybe Sony has sold True Crime and this 3 days difference allows the buyer to get the numbers on both Freeview and Sky. The convoluted way is only required for the Freeview number to change hands but the owner would get a benefit on both.

With the temporary Com7 and Com8 multiplexes shutting down there will be a few channels that will want to move to permanent coverage. Those channels will be at higher EPG numbers too. For example, Smithsonian Channel has a higher number on both Freeview and Sky than True Crime. Being on 68/69/180 could appeal to them. They would make a separate deal with Arqiva for one of the vacated Sony streams so would end up with both better number and coverage.

Like I said all this is convoluted, but Sony has a history of being convoluted, just look at the long term strategy they played with Movie Mix ownership to get it's position within the Freeview rules.

It probably won't happen after all this rambling.
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After all my rambling above the Freeview Service Update page now says this.
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What’s changing?
Channel launches
BBC will be launching 5 Red Button services during the Wimbledon Tennis Championship – you can find these on channels 602, 603, 604, 605 and 606.

Channel closures
Movies4men+1 and POP +1 will be closing from 27 June 2019.

Channel changes

Sony Movie Channel+1 will be moving from channel 50 to 61
True Movies+1 will be moving from channel 75 to 62

Channel changes and broadcast in selected areas
These channels will change numbers and broadcast only in selected areas:


True Entertainment will be moving from channel 61 to channel 48***
True Movies will be moving from channel 62 to channel 50***

Broadcast in selected areas
These channels will now only be broadcast in selected areas:


Movies4men
Sony Crime
Pop Max

Temporarily off air
These channels are temporarily off air from 27 June 2019:


Keep it Country
True Crime
True Crime+1
This means Movies4Men main channel is moving too. And seemingly to the Keep It Country slot though it's not totally clear by the way it's put.

Looks like I got very little correct. Oh well...

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