Brexit (Old)

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by denphone

Not taking either side here but what a load of patronising insulting hogwash as young people can make up their own minds about the world without the arrogant and condescending attitude of some of those a bit older who think they know it all about everything.

And clearly, some do make up their own minds to the contrary. I was generalising, of course, as do those who claim that it's only the older generation who voted for Brexit. Not true, but there is an element of truth in it.

In the world of academia, you get taken to task quite severely if you say you support Brexit, dare to question climate change or criticise left wing views. In that environment, people can be overly influenced by views that they would not otherwise believe in.

It is not confined to young people and education either. One of my meteorologist friends told me that there was scepticism over the global warming campaign but they were threatened that their careers would suffer if they continued to promote that view.

So much for being a free thinking society.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Gavin78

I remember being in middle school around 1988 and the science teacher telling our class about fossil fuels running out in 15-20 years time. Well here we are over 30 years on from that statement.

Schools and uni's have always bent to the left. To say the teachers in the classes never put their own personal views to the class is nonsense.

Don't worry we are the fossil fuel of the future

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Gavin78

I remember being in middle school around 1988 and the science teacher telling our class about fossil fuels running out in 15-20 years time. Well here we are over 30 years on from that statement.

Schools and uni's have always bent to the left. To say the teachers in the classes never put their own personal views to the class is nonsense.

Teachers are there to teach whether their own political beliefs are left , right or anything else and my own educational experiences at school were totally devoid of any political bias one way or the other..

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Gavin78

I remember being in middle school around 1988 and the science teacher telling our class about fossil fuels running out in 15-20 years time. Well here we are over 30 years on from that statement.

Schools and uni's have always bent to the left. To say the teachers in the classes never put their own personal views to the class is nonsense.

How on earth (or underneath earth ) is predicting when fossil fuels will run out left wing or right wing?

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by denphone

Teachers are there to teach whether their own political beliefs are left , right or anything else and my own educational experiences at school were totally devoid of any political bias one way or the other..

When I was at school I asked a political question and the reply was that he couldn't offer his view because that would be indoctrination and it was illegal for teachers to do it.

I can remember being told that oil would run out in the year 2000!

[1andrew1]

Labour signals no-confidence vote if May is defeated in a third meaningful vote. Fox and Hammond both saying no meaningful vote if Theresa May looks set to lose it. https://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-co...omise-11668175

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

And clearly, some do make up their own minds to the contrary. I was generalising, of course, as do those who claim that it's only the older generation who voted for Brexit. Not true, but there is an element of truth in it.

In the world of academia, you get taken to task quite severely if you say you support Brexit, dare to question climate change or criticise left wing views. In that environment, people can be overly influenced by views that they would not otherwise believe in.

It is not confined to young people and education either. One of my meteorologist friends told me that there was scepticism over the global warming campaign but they were threatened that their careers would suffer if they continued to promote that view.

So much for being a free thinking society.

Denying climate-change is pretty much in the same category now as flat-earthers. So any academics would rightly pull you up on this.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Labour signals no-confidence vote if May is defeated in a third meaningful vote. Fox and Hammond both saying no meaningful vote if Theresa May looks set to lose it. https://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-co...omise-11668175

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Denying climate-change is pretty much in the same category now as flat-earthers. So any academics would rightly pull you up on this.

Ah yes, flat earthers.

[Gavin78]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

How on earth (or underneath earth ) is predicting when fossil fuels will run out left wing or right wing?

I was refering to the older generation stating in a science lesson I had while in middle school about fossil fuels and what he said from whatever facts he got this info from.

That comment wasn't a left or right wing comment but aimed at a response that the older generation know everything.

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

When I was at school I asked a political question and the reply was that he couldn't offer his view because that would be indoctrination and it was illegal for teachers to do it.

I can remember being told that oil would run out in the year 2000!

Of course they aren't allowed to teach right or left wing views...however this doesn't stop them giving kids a push in their own way behind them 4 walls in a class room

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Gavin78

I remember being in middle school around 1988 and the science teacher telling our class about fossil fuels running out in 15-20 years time. Well here we are over 30 years on from that statement.

Schools and uni's have always bent to the left. To say the teachers in the classes never put their own personal views to the class is nonsense.

You'd love the Daily Fail headline today. Apparently Comic Relief is a left wing conspiracy by the BBC !

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Gavin78

I was refering to the older generation stating in a science lesson I had while in middle school about fossil fuels and what he said from whatever facts he got this info from.

That comment wasn't a left or right wing comment but aimed at a response that the older generation know everything.

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Of course they aren't allowed to teach right or left wing views...however this doesn't stop them giving kids a push in their own way behind them 4 walls in a class room

I think that a lot of teachers would take exception to that.

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

I think that a lot of teachers would take exception to that.

Yep! I do. Having taught general studies and covering our political system I had to be neutral and try to get the students to try and understand that they should vote if they wanted to effect any changes in their lives I was troubled by their total apathy. It’s hard to influence the totally uninterested.

Ok folks, lets get this back on topic please.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47602746

Theresa May's Brexit deal will not return to the Commons this week unless it has support from the DUP and Tory MPs, the chancellor says.

The PM's plan is expected to be voted on for a third time in the coming days.

But Philip Hammond told the BBC's Andrew Marr that it would only be put to MPs if "enough of our colleagues and the DUP are prepared to support it".

He did not rule out a financial settlement for Northern Ireland if the DUP backed the deal.

The party, which has 10 MPs in the Commons, received £1bn as part of a confidence and supply agreement with the Tories after the last election - giving the government a working majority.

Mr Hammond said they did not have the numbers "yet" to secure Mrs May's deal, adding: "It is a work in progress".

But he warned that, even with the DUP's support, a "short extension" would be needed to pass legislation in Parliament, adding that it was now "physically impossible" for the UK to leave the EU on 29 March.

Not surprising really. They’re cutting off the ERG’s ability to turn up and vote against, keeping their principles intact, while secretly hoping enough people will change their minds to vote it through.

Either they get on board now, or they accept responsibility for a lengthy delay and an almost certainly softer Brexit than is currently on offer.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Chris

The WA is a time-limited treaty between the EU and a third party. Under its provisions, we are no longer members of the EU and are following its rules in order to allow an orderly transition.

As I said - which you have curiously ignored - getting us out of the EU has been a long game. It will continue to be so, in part because of the very complexities that many of us have long argued have effectively eroded our sovereignty in practice.

Securing a referendum was the first major victory. Winning it was the second. Leaving the EU is the third. After that, we are free to chart our own course and to diverge from the EU, over time, where it benefits us. This is a freedom we do not presently have, but which we soon will.

You referred to the Treaty of Rome and being outside the EU. I made the point that the WA keeps us outside of those things, but still bound by their rules. Then there is the issue of the "backstop". That will entail a hard border in the Irish Sea with NI still forced to obey EU rules, or the UK as a whole has to follow them.