Appeasement

Originally Posted by nomadking

Do any other religious groups currently have a memorial?

Sikhs do I think

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by nomadking

Do any other religious groups currently have a memorial?

Yes, many but not Muslims yet.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Yes, many but not Muslims yet.

Why do they have to be grouped by religion? Surely nationality is the only way they should be remembered? Or regiment they served in.

Are the Gurkhas remembered on a specific Hindu memorial?

I’m all for remembering soldiers that gave their lives for us all, I don’t see why religion is the group dynamic that defines their sacrifice.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Damien

Sikhs do I think

But not with £1m of taxpayer money or a government announcement.

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The statue was created by artist Taranjit Singh and paid for with council funding and donations from Sikh congregations.

A factor will have been:-

Sikhs made up more than 20% of the British Indian Army at the outbreak of World War One.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by nomadking

But not with £1m of taxpayer money or a government announcement.

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A factor will have been:-

Council funding is taxpayer funding But if you think it's an attempt to buy Muslim votes, I'm not going to disagree..

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Originally Posted by Pierre

Why do they have to be grouped by religion? Surely nationality is the only way they should be remembered? Or regiment they served in.

Are the Gurkhas remembered on a specific Hindu memorial?

I’m all for remembering soldiers that gave their lives for us all, I don’t see why religion is the group dynamic that defines their sacrifice.

Not been there but seem plenty of precedents to group by religion and opportunities for people to have questioned this.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Council funding is taxpayer funding.

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Not been there but seem plenty of precedents to group by religion and opportunities for people to have questioned this.

Not £1m and NOT central government. It was a local campaign.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by nomadking

Not £1m and NOT central government. It was a local campaign.

I didn't say how much it was and whether it was a local campaign or a central Conservative government one. It's still taxpayers that cough up.

Do you think the government is trying to buy votes?

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Unconscious bias?

Nah, very conscious objective fact.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Nah, very conscious objective fact.

Makes it worse.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Makes it worse.

Not really. There are those will be always conflate legitimate criticism of Israel with anti-Semitism. In the same way as those who do the same for Islam and Islamophobia.

The real world is nuanced and some do not/are unable to get this.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Not really. There are those will be always conflate legitimate criticism of Israel with anti-Semitism. In the same way as those who do the same for Islam and Islamophobia.

The real world is nuanced and some do not/are unable to get this.

I think you need to adjust your simile.

Israel / antisemitism vs Islam / Islamophobia - that doesn't work.

You might as well have said Judaism / antisemitism vs Islam / Islamophobia.

So can you rephrase to get your meaning out, please?

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

I think you need to adjust your simile.

Israel / antisemitism vs Islam / Islamophobia - that doesn't work.

You might as well have said Judaism / antisemitism vs Islam / Islamophobia.

So can you rephrase to get your meaning out, please?

No, I think my post stands. People criticising Islam can be accused of Islamophobia to shut them down in the same way that people who criticise Israel can be accused of Anti-Semitism. You have seen it here on this forum.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by ianch99

No, I think my post stands. People criticising Islam can be accused of Islamophobia to shut them down in the same way that people who criticise Israel can be accused of Anti-Semitism. You have seen it here on this forum.

That's fair.