24-03-2019, 20:40
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Re: Brexit (New).
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth
I believe my daughter. And that evidence is better than none.
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The idea the EU plays grant money for University places wasn't part of any Remain campaign I've seen. The EU does pay scientific grant money, i.e for research, and that obviously is unlikely to continue for new projects.
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24-03-2019, 20:45
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Re: Brexit (New).
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Originally Posted by Pierre
That was my point in the last post Hugh..........you need to move on it’s not about you.
I didn’t “avoid” the topic or discussion or try to not to continue to engage in the discussion. Therefore by the very definition you have posted it was not “ad hominem”
I merely pointed out that you’re out of touch, which you have not countered. Shall we move on?
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24-03-2019, 20:47
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#544
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Re: Brexit (New).
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Petition to revoke Article 50 reaches five million signatures
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So a 3rd of the people that voted remain have been arsed to sign an online petition, and this is news!
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24-03-2019, 20:49
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Re: Brexit (New).
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth
I believe my daughter. And that evidence is better than none.
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So your evidence is that you believe your daughter, when you previously posted that you had convinced your daughter to agree with you?
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I've managed to open my daughter's eyes; she reports what her friends (misguidedly) say
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OK.....
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24-03-2019, 20:52
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Re: Brexit (New).
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Originally Posted by Damien
The idea the EU plays grant money for University places wasn't part of any Remain campaign I've seen. The EU does pay scientific grant money, i.e for research, and that obviously is unlikely to continue for new projects.
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Correct. But the voting youth reported by my daughter seem sure that grants (actually it was research grants) would no longer be paid as you mention.
Of course the EU payments will stop, but they were from our money. There's no reason to suppose that the UK government won't be doing the same or pay even more as part of the Brexit dividend.
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So your evidence is that you believe your daughter, when you previously posted that you had convinced your daughter to agree with you?
OK.....
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It's not difficult to understand. A couple of years ago, I had a long talk with her on a walk in Rutland; it opened her eyes.
Since then and again last week, she has told me what her friends say about why they want to remain in the EU.
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24-03-2019, 20:54
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laeva recumbens anguis
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Re: Brexit (New).
Perhaps she is telling you what you want to hear - you know, like the Mail and the Express...
on a related note, h/t to @FelicityMorse
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I am slightly concerned. I know everyone’s doing their best in difficult circumstances but I can’t help thinking that if Michael Gove is being touted as the solution then the problem must be even worse than we thought
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24-03-2019, 20:55
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Re: Brexit (New).
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth
Of course the EU payments will stop, but they were from our money. There's no reason to suppose that the UK government won't be doing the same or pay even more as part of the Brexit dividend.
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Unless leaving the EU has no economic impact to us then there is no Brexit dividend
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24-03-2019, 21:13
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Re: Brexit (New).
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Originally Posted by Damien
Unless leaving the EU has no economic impact to us then there is no Brexit dividend
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I guess remainers just find it exceedingly hard to understand that new opportunities will present themselves, relaxation of tariffs will attract trade and that staying in the EU will simply stifle innovartion and bog us down with more complex legislation that people find difficult to understand.
And before there are any rants about chlorinated chicken, if we were to import it, it would be labelled and you wouldn't have to eat it if you were put off by your own propaganda.
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24-03-2019, 21:20
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Re: Brexit (New).
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY
I guess remainers just find it exceedingly hard to understand that new opportunities will present themselves, relaxation of tariffs will attract trade and that staying in the EU will simply stifle innovartion and bog us down with more complex legislation that people find difficult to understand.
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Well we'll see won't we? It's going to be a task to actually get good enough trade deals to compensate for the trade and cost lost though no longer being integrated with the European Market, the biggest economic bloc in the world remember, let alone going above it.
There is a lot of buzzword bingo that you can come out with but now it has to actually be put into practise. The UK is a successful and rich country, the 5th largest GDP in the world, will we take over Germany and move further ahead of France or fall behind? Will future generations get well-paying jobs in a big economy or will unemployment increase? We don't know but we're about to find out.
Oh and trade deals involve complex legislation, it's basically what they are.......
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24-03-2019, 21:21
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Re: Brexit (New).
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY
And before there are any rants about chlorinated chicken, if we were to import it, it would be labelled and you wouldn't have to eat it if you were put off by your own propaganda.
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Not if a trade deal with the US prevented its being labelled. And how you can tell the details of chicken in canteens, etc?
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24-03-2019, 21:29
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#552
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Re: Brexit (New).
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY
I guess remainers just find it exceedingly hard to understand that new opportunities will present themselves, relaxation of tariffs will attract trade and that staying in the EU will simply stifle innovartion and bog us down with more complex legislation that people find difficult to understand.
And before there are any rants about chlorinated chicken, if we were to import it, it would be labelled and you wouldn't have to eat it if you were put off by your own propaganda.
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There’s no opportunities to be had if, in our desperation, we unilaterally have to remove virtually all trade tariffs. It gives us no leverage in future trade deals and harms manufacturers of our goods and services, you know, where the employees pay tax here.
At best guess unilaterally removing tariffs might reduce the cost of many imports by 20%. There’s a much easier way to achieve that by remaining in the EU and the pound returning to pre-referendum levels.
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24-03-2019, 22:41
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#553
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Re: Brexit (New).
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Originally Posted by Damien
The idea the EU plays grant money for University places wasn't part of any Remain campaign I've seen. The EU does pay scientific grant money, i.e for research, and that obviously is unlikely to continue for new projects.
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How many times do I have to say this?
It’s not EU money, it’s our money. We are massive net contributors. What we save in the con job membership fee, we can decide to fund ourselves, we don’t have to go through a corrupt middleman to receive our own money back.
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24-03-2019, 22:46
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#554
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Re: Brexit (New).
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Originally Posted by Mick
How many times do I have to say this?
It’s not EU money, it’s our money. We are massive net contributors. What we save in the con job membership fee, we can decide to fund ourselves, we don’t have to go through a corrupt middleman to receive our own money back.
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We can safely say the funding wouldn’t happen then as Conservative ideology reduces the size of state spending even further.
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24-03-2019, 22:50
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Re: Brexit (New).
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Originally Posted by Mick
How many times do I have to say this?
It’s not EU money, it’s our money. We are massive net contributors. What we save in the con job membership fee, we can decide to fund ourselves, we don’t have to go through a corrupt middleman to receive our own money back.
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There may be a saving in paper in membership fees, depending on the deal we strike with the EU, assuming we leave.
But the reduction in GDP from leaving is unfortunately likely to more than wipe any savings out.
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