Pronouns

Seriously? This is the level that we have arrived at?

[Sephiroth]

It goes to the core of the matter.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Maggy

Seriously? This is the level that we have arrived at?

Arrived at, we've been here 19 years...

[Mad Max]

Originally Posted by Mr K

I'm sure they'd give you a personal pronoun too....

Up to the individual and doesn't affect you.

It's yoghurt knitters like you that would accept any old shite by these loony's, there are only two genders, male and female, anyone who thinks otherwise needs their heads examined.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Mad Max

It's yoghurt knitters like you that would accept any old shite by these loony's, there are only two genders, male and female, anyone who thinks otherwise needs their heads examined.

It must be nice to live in a such a simple place
. . Unfortunately it isn't that simple for some. Personal pronouns I've declined to use at work my choice, just like anybodies else's choice to use one. Both choices should be respected. It really doesn't affect me or you, so no need to get so angry. It's a non issue in a world with much bigger issues.

P.s. I've never tried knitting and f I did it certainly wouldn't be with yoghurt...

[spiderplant]

Aside from wokery/gammonism(*), there is a genuine use for this. Working in a multinational company, and communicating mainly by email, I can't tell the gender of many of my colleagues from their name. Yes, you can always work around it, but knowing the pronoun to use makes things easier.


(* Have I offended everyone yet?)

[Qtx]

Originally Posted by spiderplant

Working in a multinational company, and communicating mainly by email, I can't tell the gender of many of my colleagues from their name. Yes, you can always work around it, but knowing the pronoun to use makes things easier.

We have managed to survive without it for the last 30 years or so email has been around without any major issues, even in multinational companies.

I spent some time working at a translation company with worldwide offices and translators in most countries and I never once had to find out if anyone was male or female. Maybe twice I wasn't sure of their sex but it made no difference to any correspondence.

I noticed today by chance that there is a pregnant man emoji on my phone. I seriously thought I had got it wrong and it was just my eyesight but I looked it up and yes, the EMOJI consortium added a pregnant man emoji last year to their standard emoji list. You couldn't make this stuff up

[Hom3r]

As you may know, my niece is in a same-sex relationship.


An ex-girlfriend "Shelia" (not the real name) is transitioning to male and now called "Bruce" (not the real name). They are taking testosterone and have a light beard.


My niece says he, and not she, the gender change was not a reason for the break-up.


I do believe that the He/him, she/her is a this generation thin.


I want to add that my niece and girlfriend have exchanged promise rings so that when they can afford it, they will get engaged. Not only that, but I told the GF that she to me is now a niece and that means she has all the rights and privileges my niece gets.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by spiderplant

Aside from wokery/gammonism(*), there is a genuine use for this. Working in a multinational company, and communicating mainly by email, I can't tell the gender of many of my colleagues from their name. Yes, you can always work around it, but knowing the pronoun to use makes things easier.


(* Have I offended everyone yet?)

I’ve worked in a multinational company and communicated mainly by email for 27 yrs.

Never needed a pronoun indicator to verify somebody’s sex*


(* sex, as the word gender has been hijacked to be meaningless construct about how a person feels) - hope I haven’t offended anyone! If I have I don’t care.

[Jaymoss]

Originally Posted by Pierre

I’ve worked in a multinational company and communicated mainly by email for 27 yrs.

Never needed a pronoun indicator to verify somebody’s sex*


(* sex, as the word gender has been hijacked to be meaningless construct about how a person feels) - hope I haven’t offended anyone! If I have I don’t care.

yeah it is wrong that some think they can appropriate parts of a language and just expect everyone to just fall in

Originally Posted by spiderplant

Working in a multinational company, and communicating mainly by email, I can't tell the gender of many of my colleagues from their name.

Like many, I also cant tell from the names of many of our [indian] staff.

However, Ive never actually found that to be an issue.
I cant remeber ever having to call them he/she/him/her in any replies to them.
Plus, I can just ask one of the others if I really needed to know.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Hom3r

As you may know, my niece is in a same-sex relationship.


An ex-girlfriend "Shelia" (not the real name) is transitioning to male and now called "Bruce" (not the real name). They are taking testosterone and have a light beard.


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What - both of them?

I do respect what the pair are doing - but the grammatical turmoil is ridiculous.

[Julian]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

What - both of them?

I do respect what the pair are doing - but the grammatical turmoil is ridiculous.

Agreed.

If an essentially plural pronoun is going to be hijacked for singular use then it's not "they are" it's "they is"

It would be entirely appropriate for the sentence to look wrong grammatically.

[Qtx]

We just started watching American Horror Stories (not story) season 1 episode 5 and before the first 60 seconds is over they are doing the pronoun thing.

Basically a couple in a fertility clinic with her saying she wants to feel a baby growing inside until the day they meet him, her or they

Apart from it being relevant to the topic, it also reminded me of these parents who have said they are not bringing their kid up as a boy or girl but will let them decide themselves. Do they not realise how much extra unrequired stress this is going to put on their child and added confusion in the early and maybe later life. We also need to be reminded by how few of the population are trans or whatever instead of how it appears form a vocal minority.

I can see a lot of children being named 'Whatever'.