Pronouns

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Mad Max

Schools should stick to teaching kids what they really need to learn instead of all these pronouns shite.

Teaching kids to be kind to other humans doesn’t sound like shite to me.

Originally Posted by nffc

Well I'd largely be inclined to agree - unless there's actually some serious case of gender dysphoria which has been verified by a doctor, as opposed to that they just want to do it.


One thing which I've never understood is how they seem to be wanting to push up the age of puberty blockers. Ok, so yeah a little kid isn't necessarily (but not always) going to be able to make the decision they want to transition to the other gender, but, surely the whole point of giving someone drugs to stop them going through puberty is to get the body before it changes so there's less to reverse, which has to work better when the process hasn't automatically started, so any limit over like 13 years is presumably not going to be effective anyway. Maybe that's the point, they're too young to make that decision, so no point having them available?

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Originally Posted by Russ

Teaching kids to be kind to other humans doesn’t sound like shite to me.

Originally Posted by Russ

Teaching kids to be kind to other humans doesn’t sound like shite to me.

Jailing him doesnt seem too kind.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Russ

Teaching kids to be kind to other humans doesn’t sound like shite to me.

Confusing kids with this pronoun tripe is total shite.

English, Maths and creative stuff is what schools should be teaching.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Paul

Jailing him doesnt seem too kind.

Not all that sure anyone has suggested that it is.

Although for the second time, he was jailed for breaching a court order, nothing more.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Confusing kids with this pronoun tripe is total shite.

Really? My son is 8 and he gets it.

Seems like kids are lot less ignorant and intolerant than adults tend to be.

[peanut]

Originally Posted by Russ

Really? My son is 8 and he gets it.

Seems like kids are lot less ignorant and intolerant than adults tend to be.

Or it could be down to just intelligence and common sense, who has the most, an 8 year old or an adult?

[Russ]

Given the deliberate pettiness shown by many in this thread I’d say it’s more often the kids.

[peanut]

Originally Posted by Russ

Given the deliberate pettiness shown by many in this thread I’d say it’s more often the kids.

Kids at that age will go with whatever they are taught and will conform. That does not make it right. I do find it sad that children that age are taught this kind of thing.

Why does it always come to that if those that don't agree to something that is or feels wrong etc means we're intolerant and ignorant. Not agreeing with it shouldn't mean we're being unkind either. Agreeing to disagree is fine too.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by peanut

Kids at that age will go with whatever they are taught and will conform.

EXACTLY - thank you. If they're taught tolerance, understanding and respect they usually bring that into adulthood

Originally Posted by peanut

That does not make it right.

Teaching them that understanding is not right?

Originally Posted by peanut

I do find it sad that children that age are taught this kind of thing

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You get upset that kids are taught not to be discriminating and nasty? I'm certainly not.

Originally Posted by peanut

Why does it always come to that if those that don't agree to something that is or feels wrong etc means we're intolerant and ignorant.

I didn't particularly single you out but ok - I don't agree that there are more than 2 genders for example. But do I go around saying those that do are 'silly' or mock them? No, I keep it to myself. A lot of people need to understand that just because they have an opinion does not automatically mean the world has to know about it.

My mate wants to be referred to as 'them/they'. Do I agree there is an extra gender that requires such a pronoun? No, I don't. But it costs me nothing to comply with their simple request. The world does not revolve around my opinion of someone's gender.

Originally Posted by peanut

Not agreeing with it shouldn't mean we're being unkind either. .

Again, I didn't say you were being unkind.

Being unkind is when you're aware someone wants to be referred to by a certain pronoun, makes a simple and respectful request to be referred to that way but you use their birth pronoun anyway just because you disagree with the whole thing.

[peanut]

If someone said they want to be referred to as they/them then it would not be an issue for me. I would say good luck with that, but that's not for me. If they have a problem with that then it's their problem and not mine. It would not change a single thing to how I would treat that person as I would anyone else.

[Russ]

So would you go along with their request?

[peanut]

Originally Posted by Russ

So would you go along with their request?

I've already said it's not for me.

[Russ]

Given how it wouldn’t impact your life one bit and would cost you nothing that’s pretty unfortunate.

[peanut]

Originally Posted by Russ

Given how it wouldn’t impact your life one bit and would cost you nothing that’s pretty unfortunate.

That is totally fine with me. It would cost nothing to 'those' to accept my point of view either.

[Sephiroth]

But putting this stuff into the heads of kids is plain wrong.

Russ's 8 year old may "get it" but it's a burden that is totally unnecessary at this stage in life.

The discourse between Peanut and Russ tells me that this is adult stuff. Really - is a kid going to choose a pronoun? They?