Government & Post Election Discussion - Page 107

1andrew1 · 18-10-2018, 22:18

Awks.

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A Conservative MP has admitted he wouldn’t vote for his own party if he wasn’t in parliament and described the running of the current government as a “shit show”.
Johnny Mercer, who was elected in 2015, said there was “absolutely no chance” he would run as a Tory candidate today and warned that moderate MPs were prepared to “kick up a stink” if the party didn’t change tack

https://www.ft.com/content/45269dac-...2-7574db66bcd5

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Angua · 18-10-2018, 22:24

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Awks.

https://www.ft.com/content/45269dac-...2-7574db66bcd5

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The gist of the quoted part is unsurprising. Wonder if he will be de-selected by the next election? Seems to be the latest trend by the Tories, only they are much more subtle about it than Labour.

denphone · 19-10-2018, 05:34

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The gist of the quoted part is unsurprising. Wonder if he will be de-selected by the next election? Seems to be the latest trend by the Tories, only they are much more subtle about it than Labour.

So smarmy Johnny Mercer has got a voice , its just a pity he does not stand up for his constituents more in our part of the world.

**Damien** · 24-10-2018, 11:50

https://news.sky.com/story/cabinet-s...overy-11534263

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Sir Jeremy Heywood is to permanently stand down as the UK's top civil servant as he continues to recover from cancer.

Pretty big resignation as the most powerful civil servant in the country.

1andrew1 · 29-10-2018, 22:51

Philip Hammond cleverly makes budget generosity conditional on a good deal with the EU.

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Austerity will continue for five more years if Britain crashes out of the EU with no deal, Philip Hammond signalled, in a Budget warning to MPs threatening to vote down Theresa May’s Brexit plans.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8607766.html

Carth · 30-10-2018, 03:25

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Philip Hammond cleverly makes budget generosity conditional on a good deal with the EU.

Philip Hammond brazenly makes budget threats conditional on a good deal with the EU.

fixed that for you Andrew

denphone · 30-10-2018, 07:58

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Philip Hammond cleverly makes budget generosity conditional on a good deal with the EU.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8607766.html

Methinks a General Election is possibly in the offing next year Andrew.

1andrew1 · 30-10-2018, 08:33

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Methinks a General Election is possibly in the offing next year Andrew.

Well, it's about time for one, isn't it Den? It's been a while now.

Sky News was commenting that this is quite a left wing budget. Spend and borrow with paying off debt postponed to the next decade. Not what some on here were voiciferously predicting.

**Damien** · 30-10-2018, 08:49

Pretty good budget IMO.

I don't think it's evidence of a election, the government is quite weak and doesn't have the security of knowing it will be here in a years time as it would if it had a secure and comfortable majority. They can't risk upsetting their own backbenchers.

OLD BOY · 30-10-2018, 09:48

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Well, it's about time for one, isn't it Den? It's been a while now.

Sky News was commenting that this is quite a left wing budget. Spend and borrow with paying off debt postponed to the next decade. Not what some on here were voiciferously predicting.

The budget should have pleased you then, Andrew.

1andrew1 · 30-10-2018, 10:53

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The budget should have pleased you then, Andrew.

Mixed views:
In that it supports what I've been trying to prove to you - yes.
In that the budget deficit is kicked into the long grass in uncertain times - no.

denphone · 30-10-2018, 13:42

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Mixed views:
In that it supports what I've been trying to prove to you - yes.
In that the budget deficit is kicked into the long grass in uncertain times - no.

Paul Johnson, the director of the IFS.

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It said there was possibly a one in three chance that the public finances would deteriorate significantly next year, adding that the judgment to increase spending could push the national debt higher.

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Paul Johnson, the director of the IFS, said: “When push comes to shove it’s not tax rises and it’s not the NHS that Mr Hammond is willing to gamble on, it’s the public finances.”

https://www.theguardian.com/business...ublic-finances

OLD BOY · 30-10-2018, 16:09

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Mixed views:
In that it supports what I've been trying to prove to you - yes.
In that the budget deficit is kicked into the long grass in uncertain times - no.

But Corbyn sould just make the budget deficit worse!

I think it is right to ease off a little now we have the deficit down to this level. We're still paying it off, but helping to ease austerity at the same time. I'm sure that most people would say he's got the balance right.

As for the first comment, I don't know what you are referring to.

1andrew1 · 30-10-2018, 16:44

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

But Corbyn sould just make the budget deficit worse!

I think it is right to ease off a little now we have the deficit down to this level. We're still paying it off, but helping to ease austerity at the same time. I'm sure that most people would say he's got the balance right.

As for the first comment, I don't know what you are referring to.

I honestly don't know why you keep trying to deflect this conversation to Corbyn. He's not in power and is unlikely to be unless BoJo and co stab Theresa May in the back and fail to support the deal she agrees with the EU. Hard Brexit is likely to mean Hard Labour.

I said that the Conservative Party couldn't raise spending, pay down borrowing and maintain/cut taxes. You believed it could.
The Chancellor has now stated that borrowing is to rise so we will postpone paying our debts off.

OLD BOY · 30-10-2018, 18:28

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I honestly don't know why you keep trying to deflect this conversation to Corbyn. He's not in power and is unlikely to be unless BoJo and co stab Theresa May in the back and fail to support the deal she agrees with the EU. Hard Brexit is likely to mean Hard Labour.

I said that the Conservative Party couldn't raise spending, pay down borrowing and maintain/cut taxes. You believed it could.
The Chancellor has now stated that borrowing is to rise so we will postpone paying our debts off.

It is necessary to remind people of what Corbyn would do as many of May's detractors are left wing and would vote for Corbyn in a heartbeat. When they criticise the actions of the Conservatives, it is a sobering thought to take a look at Corbyn's alternative aspirations.

Any idiot can criticise. But if you criticise, you should have a viable alternative.

I know that not all those on the left of politics support Corbyn, but that's who you'd get if you voted Labour.

Regarding the issue of raising spending, paying down borrowing and maintaining or cutting taxes, yes you can, but it's a matter of degree. The intention is still to reduce the deficit and our debts, but not so quickly now so we can ease off the austerity.

Even Corbyn wouldn't have put £12bn extra into the NHS! But that move will gain a lot of public support, and the Chancellor and PM have certainly caught the public mood with that one.

Of course, if you are now indicating your disapproval of such a sum of money being allocated to our health service, that would be a bit of a U-turn for you, I would suggest!