Brexit (Old)

[denphone]

The BBC’s Laura Kuenssberg says Boris Johnson’s resignation may be followed by others.

A well-connected source has just told me that it could be more serious than that.
They told me it is a concerted push to force the prime minister to drop her Chequers’ compromise.

They said: “If she doesn’t drop Chequers there will be another, then another, then another, then another”.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Hardly. What Theresa May should do now is to admit that the government has failed to reach an agreement on a possible deal with the EU, and consequently, the negotiations are off. We will revert to WTO rules on Brexit Day.

The EU will be surprised since we haven't started the proper talks on the agreement.

The Government really is a disaster at the moment. Two years to each a starting point and even then it looks like it cannot survive. A British Citizen murdered quite possibly by a foreign state, and the foreign secretary resigns over Brexit the same day. We don't even know if the PM will survive in the job! Then what? The Brexiters who've spent the last two years avoiding giving any clue into what this great deal we would could be? They're going to take over despite doing nothing for the last two years?

Remember when the trade deal was going to the easiest thing in the world? That the EU will come to us begging for a deal? No clue at all.

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Tories think they have the 48 letters, question is do they have 158 MPs?

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Damien

Tories think they have the 48 letters, question is do they have 158 MPs?

l very much doubt it.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by denphone

The BBC’s Laura Kuenssberg says Boris Johnson’s resignation may be followed by others.

Good riddance, he was an incompetent oaf by any standards. Carry on TM, you're doing a fantastic job

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Damien

The EU will be surprised since we haven't started the proper talks on the agreement.

The Government really is a disaster at the moment. Two years to each a starting point and even then it looks like it cannot survive. A British Citizen murdered quite possibly by a foreign state, and the foreign secretary resigns over Brexit the same day. We don't even know if the PM will survive in the job! Then what? The Brexiters who've spent the last two years avoiding giving any clue into what this great deal we would could be? They're going to take over despite doing nothing for the last two years?

Remember when the trade deal was going to the easiest thing in the world? That the EU will come to us begging for a deal? No clue at all.

Oh, please! If the government had a decent majority and David Davis had a free hand, yes, it would have been straight forward.

The fact of the matter is that the remainers in the government and the opposition have put us in this position, droning on about soft Brexits, cliff edges and the importance of staying in the Customs Union when that defeats the whole object of Brexit.

As it happens, it now looks as though we will end up with WTO rules, which the majority of the electorate thought they were voting for anyway. Job done.

[denphone]

ITV’s Robert Peston reckons Sir Graham Brady hasn’t (yet?) received the 48 letters that would trigger a confidence vote.

For what it's worth, I am pretty sure crucial 48 letters from Tory MPs calling for a vote of confidence in @theresa_may's leadership have NOT been received by @Graham__Brady, chair of 1922 Tory backbench committee. And there won't be any announcement of a confidence vote tonight

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Oh, please! If the government had a decent majority and David Davis had a free hand, yes, it would have been straight forward.

No one forced them to call an election.

The fact of the matter is that the remainers in the government and the opposition have put us in this position, droning on about soft Brexits, cliff edges and the importance of staying in the Customs Union when that defeats the whole object of Brexit.

Why didn't the Brexiters in Government offer their own vision for Brexit? Cowards hiding behind May and blaming everyone without taking any responsibility themselves. Remainers said N.I would be an issue and that a trade deal was difficult and may involve being a rule taker without having any input on it. Dismissed as scaremongering by the people running away today.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Oh, please! If the government had a decent majority and David Davis had a free hand, yes, it would have been straight forward.

The fact of the matter is that the remainers in the government and the opposition have put us in this position, droning on about soft Brexits, cliff edges and the importance of staying in the Customs Union when that defeats the whole object of Brexit.

As it happens, it now looks as though we will end up with WTO rules, which the majority of the electorate thought they were voting for anyway. Job done.

If you voted for Brexit you put us in this position. I knew this would be the response of Brexiters when this went pear shaped, blame everyone else.

While there may be further resignations this weekend if May tries to cling to her so called start to a deal there will be no major activity party wise until next week. Right now it isn't only the UK doing a bit of panicking there is quite a bit on the continent as well and if they were all honest and stopped playing stupid games they would admit that no deal was going to be achieved as at least two members of the EU have from day one had a position of not agreeing any deal. The remain faction in the UK has spent two years doing everything to undermine the UK's position and then blaming the government for making no progress and still they continue and no doubt will right upto us leaving with no deal and of course it's not their fault it's the government or those who voted leave but never remain.

The EU looked at what was happening in the UK with the division which has been widened by numerous parties and figured they didn't need to do anything so they have spent the last two years rejecting everything and making demands and now it's all going to fall apart. When we do leave with no deal as now seems more likely it won't just be the UK that suffers economically it will be EU member states and given the already growing divisions and tensions within the EU (that have continued to worsen in the last couple of years despite remains opinion) this could bring the EU ever closer to collapse so well played remain and well played the EU arrogance and ignorance have once again triumphed.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Oh, please! If the government had a decent majority and David Davis had a free hand, yes, it would have been straight forward.

The fact of the matter is that the remainers in the government and the opposition have put us in this position, droning on about soft Brexits, cliff edges and the importance of staying in the Customs Union when that defeats the whole object of Brexit.

As it happens, it now looks as though we will end up with WTO rules, which the majority of the electorate thought they were voting for anyway. Job done.

I am just loving the re-writing of history in real time. Donald Trump would be proud of you. I just pointed out where the Leave campaign said the opposite and the campaign never mentioned they wanted a Hard Brexit as a preferred aim and you keep saying that they wanted one all along and what's more, most people wanted it as well.

And, and this is the best bit, it's all everyone else's fault. I am literally in hysterics here. What do you do for an encore?

Job done

Jobs gone more the like ..

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Mr K

If you voted for Brexit you put us in this position. I knew this would be the response of Brexiters when this went pear shaped, blame everyone else.

Most Brexiteers were not anticipating a cosy deal with Brussels. Just a normal trade deal like for any other country.

The result of the referendum was to leave the EU. Tell you what, let's just leave.

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

While there may be further resignations this weekend if May tries to cling to her so called start to a deal there will be no major activity party wise until next week. Right now it isn't only the UK doing a bit of panicking there is quite a bit on the continent as well and if they were all honest and stopped playing stupid games they would admit that no deal was going to be achieved as at least two members of the EU have from day one had a position of not agreeing any deal. The remain faction in the UK has spent two years doing everything to undermine the UK's position and then blaming the government for making no progress and still they continue and no doubt will right upto us leaving with no deal and of course it's not their fault it's the government or those who voted leave but never remain.
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This is the fault of the entire government in this country, opposition too. Yet it’s somehow never the fault of the Brexit lot is it? Always an excuse.

Oh great here cometh the other great pro EU oracle who like so many others is utterly clueless WAKE UP!!!!! there isn't and never was a soft, hard or medium rare brexit the rules of the EU as stated in article 50 only allow for total exit from the EU. Despite what so many in remain think this situation doesn't end well for anybody not the UK or the EU both will suffer economic consequences because of this ridiculous pantomime and it will be the workers both here and on the continent who pay for this debacle. Lets not even discuss the irony of a leave voter being more concerned about damage on the continent then the so called EU supporters just another comedic element to this entire sorry situation who could have believed that so much incompetence and complacency on both sides would carry on as long as it has.

Oh grow up damien I'm hardly lauding the handling by the leave side am i I've said the fault is on all sides but remain cannot just pretend that two years of constant challenges and undermining rhetoric hasn't played a part or are you really that stupid and arrogant.

If you’re going to tell other people to grow up it’s best if you don’t follow it with personal insults.

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Anyway moving on.

May is at the ‘22 committee so we’ll see what happens when she gets out

[heero_yuy]

Have to count the knives in her back.