Brexit discussion

Are we seriously back to the red bus seriously it was not a promise it's clearly not worded as a promise nor do they claim it to be backed by experts it clearly states "lets give it" a suggestion not a promise. The campaigns of both sides were so incredibly pathetic i don't know anyone that voted leave that did so due to the campaign but i do know people who voted remain because of the immediate economic collapse that would follow a leave vote told to us daily by politicians and experts. I know young people who voted remain because they thought a leave vote would mean no more trips to ibiza and mobile phone charges would skyrocket and i know a few pensioners who voted remain because our prime minister at the time invoked the prospect of world war 3.

It simply beggers belief that the same group on here constantly sieze on the red bus rubbish and so conveniently forget all the lies and outright scare tactics employed daily by the remain campaign. The same group that whenever there is a bit of bad news it's all down to brexit but when there's anything positive it's despite brexit how lovely it is to have your cake and eat it. Things are not as bad as they are often represented and significant progress is being made outside of the main EU negotiation fiasco that will have a greater impact economically so instead of wallowing in gloom it might be best to stay quiet that way in a little over a year you won't look quite so stupid to have believed everything you've been spoon fed from agenda ridden press of both persuasions.

Things are not quite as they appear and time will show how manipulative some are being with the public, oh and those deluding themselves that brexit is going to be so soft as to be meaningless might want to stop hanging onto that hope your going to be very very disappointed.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

, oh and those deluding themselves that brexit is going to be so soft as to be meaningless might want to stop hanging onto that hope your going to be very very disappointed.

Do you have Saturday's lottery numbers as well?

The fragile Conservative party truce on Europe was blown apart on Thursday as chancellor Philip Hammond called for a soft Brexit that would see only “very modest” changes to Britain’s relationship with the EU.

https://www.ft.com/content/e577b43e-...0-9c0ad2d7c5b5

As i said time will tell and i gaurantee you won't be quite as happy as you are now when the final situation is resolved. I see you yet again failed to acknowledge the lies your preferred side repeatedly told and all those dire predictions of immediate consequences that failed to materialise i have no doubt you now adopt the standard remain position that they will come to be in time, how much time is that again 1andrew1??.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

As i said time will tell and i gaurantee you won't be quite as happy as you are now when the final situation is resolved. I see you yet again failed to acknowledge the lies your preferred side repeatedly told and all those dire predictions of immediate consequences that failed to materialise i have no doubt you now adopt the standard remain position that they will come to be in time, how much time is that again 1andrew1??.

Rizzy old chap, Brexit hasn't happened yet.We might not feel the effects atm, but in the decades to come we and our kids will. (And yes politicians from all sides lie, but we know that. Sometimes we've got to rely on our own common sense - seems like we failed).

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

As i said time will tell and i gaurantee you won't be quite as happy as you are now when the final situation is resolved. I see you yet again failed to acknowledge the lies your preferred side repeatedly told and all those dire predictions of immediate consequences that failed to materialise i have no doubt you now adopt the standard remain position that they will come to be in time, how much time is that again 1andrew1??.

We've not left yet last time I checked but already hard-working families are suffering from inflation and wage squeezes.
Ask me again when we have left the single market but the UK is underperforming its peers right now when it should be outperforming them. As a proud economically-literate Brit, it's a disappointing situation to contend with.

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

It simply beggers belief that the same group on here constantly sieze on the red bus rubbish and so conveniently forget all the lies and outright scare tactics employed daily by the remain campaign.

I did acknowledge this a few posts back and even a few times during the campaign I believe I said 'yeah, that's a bit silly' although admittedly it's harder to acknowledge your own faults than it is to find them in others.

I think it's clear the expected impact of Brexit I believe would happen has not happened. We've not even had a mild recession. At the same time though the economy isn't exactly doing great either, it's clearly slowed and even more so compared to Europe and America. We've slipped pretty far down.

And Leavers are also not seeing the optimistic projections working out either. The EU hasn't exactly folded to our whims. The EU is not begging to give us a trade deal at the demands of German car manufactures. Instead we've had a rather pragmatic and to some sobering negotiation so far. It's not been great, it's not been a disaster.

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[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Damien

Think about this, a generation that came into the workforce around 2008 may not see anything like the economy we had between 1980 and 2008 until they're in their middle age....

Exactly.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Mick

No it did not. Rubbish.

Still no answer on the crappy mirror article, thanks for highlighting you don’t do balanced arguments, just like the Mirror you linked to.

And you'd know all about balanced arguments wouldn't you, the poster we typically expect to expose people will be coming after you soon and I thought I did give my opinion on polls in general, was that yet another opinion you ignore or 'don't give a toss about'

There are aspects of the negotiations that are not being publicly discussed and the initial stage was always going to be difficult but things are not as one sided as they are being portrayed currently and discussions will move onto areas where the UK holds the upper hand. There will be a reciprocal trade deal that will give neither side everything it wants but will give each side enough to live with. MrK we were told almost gauranteed by numerous politicians and experts that there would be an immediate economic hit of large scale it never happened and saying "in the coming decades" well in or out of the EU economic downturns will happen just as they did while we were members of the EU so that's a little silly isn't it.

As I've said time will tell the reality but on balance it will be leavers rather then remainers that will be more satisfied. This is not even touching on the growing problems within the EU lets please not pretend that just over the channel is a utopia with no issue's and as usual the EU is moving at a snails pace trying to catch up on how to deal with those issue's.

The one thing that remain supporters have to stop doing is pretending that the leave campaign which was shockingly bad and just as full of lies and exaggerations as the remain campaign somehow changed the opinions of voters whilst the remain campaign didn't. You can't have it both ways both campaigns were pathetic and both may have had an impact on how some chose to vote but the majority knew how they were going to vote before the campaigns and were not altered by the fiasco that followed.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

the poster we typically expect to expose people will be coming after you soon and I thought I did give my opinion on polls in general, was that yet another opinion you ignore or 'don't give a toss about'

What the hell are you blabbing on about, the poster who does what to expose who, will be after me...?

What does that even mean ?

When did you comment on the mirror article you linked to this morning, I am not talking about what you posted historically ?

Still no answer on the % of people 'taken in' by Remain lies, that the mirror conveniently forgot to report on, but then again, it's a paper that supports a Racist/Anti-Semitic political party AKA Labour. Enough said.

[Mr K]

As long as you believe it RK, that's the main thing
Has it made our country a more united happy place? Are we still 'all in it together'? I'd suggest those heading our negotiations have only their own interests and ambitions at heart.

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Originally Posted by Mick

What the hell are you blabbing on about, the poster who does what to expose who, will be after me...?

What does that even mean ?

When did you comment on the mirror article you linked to this morning, I am not talking about what you posted historically ?

Still no answer on the % of people 'taken in' by Remain lies, that the mirror conveniently forgot to report on, but then again, it's a paper that supports a Racist/Anti-Semitic political party AKA Labour. Enough said.

Chillax Michael, watch the BP ! You can always start a new thread if this one has become 'too long'....

I think your the last one to insinuate delusions given nothing you've predicted has come to pass and yet you continually repeat it ad infinitum and everytime it fails to materialise you move the clock back and just rinse and repeat.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

I think your the last one to insinuate delusions given nothing you've predicted has come to pass and yet you continually repeat it ad infinitum and everytime it fails to materialise you move the clock back and just rinse and repeat.

Brexit hasn't happened yet. Yes, rinse and repeat as you don't appear to know !

Originally Posted by Mr K

You can always start a new thread if this one has become 'too long'....

Wow, gee, thanks for your consent....Got any suggestions for new thread titles you'd like to give as well ?

(Rhetorical question by the way)

I tell you what. I can give you a nice forum break if you cannot learn to mind your own business regarding team actions or decisions I make. There is a topic here, I suggest you stick to it.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Mick

What the hell are you blabbing on about, the poster who does what to expose who, will be after me...?

What does that even mean ?

When did you comment on the mirror article you linked to this morning, I am not talking about what you posted historically ?

Still no answer on the % of people 'taken in' by Remain lies, that the mirror conveniently forgot to report on, but then again, it's a paper that supports a Racist/Anti-Semitic political party AKA Labour. Enough said.

I was trying to avoid the term usual suspect

I think I gave my opinion on the lies remain told, it irked me so much at one point I would've voted leave there and then, as for a figure on numbers taken in by remain lies, it was probably a lot, not sure why that matters though, it doesn't make what leave did right nor excuse them from what they did and if remains lies had won the day don't think I wouldn't be on here banging on about it just as much, probably more so in fact as deep down I'd feel like I'd have been taken in by them by association

A quarter of Leave voters believe they were misled during the Brexit campaign, a poll has found.

According to a survey by Opinium, 26 per cent of all Brexit voters said they were misled by promises made during the campaign.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7905786.html

That's the democracy we keep banging on about and threatening to export to other countries, 26% think they were lied to