Brexit (Old)

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Whats the Eu going to do shut down drug production or stockpile thousands of tons of drugs until the companies go bankrupt
how many Eu countries can afford to lose trade with the UK .
This is a bit like those airbuses that are going to fly without wings .

Precisely - are these drug companies just going to stop producing billions of pounds worth of Medicine because the EU tells them to, I don't think so.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mick

Precisely - are these drug companies just going to stop producing billions of pounds worth of Medicine because the EU tells them to, I don't think so.

I think Damien covered this point off earlier. No deal would result in congestion at ports so medicines will take longer to arrive in the UK. So a sensible but costly precaution to maintain a higher level of stocks.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I think Damien covered this point off earlier. No deal would result in congestion at ports so medicines will take longer to arrive in the UK. So a sensible but costly precaution to maintain a higher level of stocks.

And that's all it is, nothing more than a sensible precaution which doesn't mean the former is true.

[RichardCoulter]

I really hope that there won't be a shortage of drugs, I rely on a lot of medication to keep me going, as do many others.

Originally Posted by pip08456

And that's all it is, nothing more than a sensible precaution which doesn't mean the former is true.

Depends on how confident you are in the competence of the government to manage the ports.

I don't think it will happen because I don't with the UK or the EU will let no-deal happen and instead have some sort of fudge that keeps all the EU stuff in place as part of the 'transition period' while talks continue.

People need to talk about what's actually happening though. No one has said the EU will stop selling us stuff.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Damien

Depends on how confident you are in the competence of the government to manage the ports.

I don't think it will happen because I don't with the UK or the EU will let no-deal happen and instead have some sort of fudge that keeps all the EU stuff in place as part of the 'transition period' while talks continue.

People need to talk about what's actually happening though. No one has said the EU will stop selling us stuff.

”... some sort of fudge...” is a realistic appraisal (as distinct from doo & gloom).

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

I really hope that there won't be a shortage of drugs, I rely on a lot of medication to keep me going, as do many others.

As do I for my “Disabilities”, but I refuse to be brainwashed with the bullshit stories of shortages, it’s some pathetic Remainers as civil servants and MPs, upping their scaremongering tactics. It should be treated for what it is, a big pile of steaming bullshit.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Why did we join if everything was so brilliant pre-EU then? And why were we desperate to join years before we were eventually accepted?

You should know your history.............Because it was just a trading block at the time. The was no political slant sold to us.

[Sephiroth]

Pierre is right and we were right to join the EEC. I do recall, however, that Heath did it more or less on his own, though with a Parliamentary vote. Note that the Common Market became the EEC, then the EC and now the EU (since around 1993).

Talk about scope creep!

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Another thing is bothering me now. Not only was the 52/48 thing finely sort of balanced, but with the Japan FTA and perhaps a decent chance of a US FTA, the objective economic balance is moving.

If we can maintain our never closer union position (goes to the sovereignty backstop) then I can see a Remain vote if a second referendum occurred.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Mick

Precisely - are these drug companies just going to stop producing billions of pounds worth of Medicine because the EU tells them to, I don't think so.

Eu farmers working the fields / farms will not be told on the 29 march that their produce can't be sold to it's intended market ,and any border delays will just see them out of pocket as spoiled goods will not be accepted ,i doubt it will be long before the EU is at war with it's self over falling profits .

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Eu farmers working the fields / farms will not be told on the 29 march that their produce can't be sold to it's intended market ,and any border delays will just see them out of pocket as spoiled goods will not be accepted ,i doubt it will be long before the EU is at war with it's self over falling profits .

Hence the likelihood of a fudge.

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Eu farmers working the fields / farms will not be told on the 29 march that their produce can't be sold to it's intended market ,and any border delays will just see them out of pocket as spoiled goods will not be accepted ,i doubt it will be long before the EU is at war with it's self over falling profits .

Exactly. The Remainers portray the damage as a one way system all aimed at us, the EU will be hurt more badly than us, if everything stops dead with no deal. I want a deal, still be friends with Europe, but we don’t need to be in the EU to still trade and do business. I don’t want a bad deal though like the Chequers Paper. No deal is better than a bad deal.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

You are falling for the hype of the remainers, who are growing ever more desperate.

First of all, you seem to be saying there has been no negotiation and the EU keep saying 'no'. If that was really the case, how come that both sides agree that we are 80% there? The illusion you are painting is not an awfully good one.

As for the Northern Ireland border, I have said a few times before that this is not the issue some people think it is. Existing arrangements are adequate for most of the trade that goes through the border, and Theresa May and Dominic Raab will be discussing the precise method by which this is done for the remainder. There are detailed options not yet made public which will be subject to negotiation.

You can see from the new bounce in her step that at long last, Theresa May can see that the final details of this plan will soon be agreed.

You've gone a bit quiet, OB!

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Mick

. No deal is better than a bad deal.

Given that day one of no deal could look like the below you may find a bad deal would be better than no deal.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/b...-a8463636.html

It’s Saturday 30 March 2019 and Britain has gone over the cliff edge.

At 11pm the night before the UK left the EU with no deal agreed. There is no financial liabilities settlement. There is no agreement on EU citizens’ rights or security cooperation. Britain is totally outside the customs union. There’s no single market “transition”.

Nor is there any route to a free trade deal. All Britain has to govern its trade with the EU now is the bare rules of the World Trade Organisation (WTO).

Theresa May announces her resignation and the Conservative Party begins its leadership election process.

Nigel Farage is delighted at the last-minute collapse of the Brexit negotiations and declares outside parliament, as the dawn breaks, that Britain is now truly an independent nation once again.

Jacob Rees-Mogg, now the clear favourite for the Tory leadership having lead the successful campaign to thwart May’s proposed “vassalage” deal, informs BBC Radio 4’s Today programme that although what he describes as a “clean Brexit” will likely entail some “bumpiness” any disruption will be short-lived and ultimately well worth it.

Travellers are the first to feel the bump. UK airports are in chaos, as all flights to mainland Europe have been cancelled since late on Friday.

The WTO rules do not cover aviation. And no aircraft is permitted to fly between the UK and EU airports until a new bilateral agreement on flights is reached.

Weekend motorists in Kent are also suffering, as the roads leading to the ports of Dover and Folkestone soon become gridlocked with stationary lorries.

Each UK export consignment to Europe now has to be checked by customs staff in Calais, with tariffs and VAT collected.

The French port’s infrastructure is rapidly overwhelmed and ferry companies are instructed not to disgorge any more lorries until they can hire and train more officers.

The only option for hauliers bound for the EU is to queue and wait.

Traffic going the other way also locks up, as the UK’s small band of customs staff also soon become swamped, despite instructions for them to check only one incoming consignment from the EU in five.

By the end of the day, gaps are already starting to appear on UK supermarket shelves as shoppers, hearing about the customs crisis, stockpile goods, anticipating that deliveries from Europe will fail to arrive.

Some petrol stations are running low on fuel as tankers have difficulty getting through. Expecting a rush of panic buying, some profiteering operators jack up fuel prices on Sunday to as much as £1.50 a litre.

When the stock markets open on Monday, traders’ screens are drenched in red as UK stocks and investment funds get brutally marked down. Many find they cannot process orders on behalf of European clients due to the sudden demise of the single market passport for financial services.

Bank executives implement their contingency plans, informing thousands of employees that they will either be sacked or relocated to Frankfurt.

Lawyers are commissioned across the Square Mile for a gargantuan battle over trillions of pounds of derivative contracts whose legal status is now suddenly in doubt.

Despite an emergency rate cut and unprecedentedly large financial market liquidity injection from the Bank of England, panic takes hold in the City.

The pound is sinking at its most rapid rate since the night of that Leave vote in the Brexit referendum. One airport bureau de change offers to buy pounds for only a single dollar.

Car plant workers in the midlands and the north east arrive for work only to be told that half of them should go home. The parts they need to work with have not been delivered. They are stuck in transit and the “just in time” delivery system has broken down. The shockwaves ripple out to their thousands of supplier firms. Airbus announces it is closing down its entire plant in Wales, throwing 10,000 out of work at a stroke.

Despite months of stockpiling, many NHS drug deliveries are also held up. Non-urgent operations are cancelled indefinitely. All but the most sick are urged not to present themselves for treatment. One panicking manager of an overstretched hospital turns away a Spanish woman because, he says, as an EU citizen, her right to healthcare in the UK is now unclear. Others follow the precedent. The Madrid government declares that, in retaliation, retired Britons on the Costa del Sol will also be ineligible for Spanish healthcare.

Civil servants frantically hammer the phones, trying to get through to their European counterparts, pleading for the ports and airports to be opened, for emergency supplies to be fast-tracked, for some kind of temporary political agreement on the rights of EU citizens and Britons on the continent.

But the Europeans are divided. Hardliners in Germany, France and the Netherlands insist on no cooperation with the perfidious Brits whatsoever until they agree to honour their £39bn of EU liabilities. They are also consumed with the question of how to deal with Ireland, which has refused to close its border with the north for fear of provoking a Republican terror attack, leaving a gaping hole in the EU’s customs union.

As UK public anger and fear swells, Brexiteers give defensive media interviews. Some blame the chaos on the government’s failure to plan adequately.

Others blame the EU for deliberately sabotaging the UK economy and demand retaliation. Others call for martial law. Not one utters the words “project fear”.

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by Mick

Exactly. The Remainers portray the damage as a one way system all aimed at us, the EU will be hurt more badly than us, if everything stops dead with no deal. I want a deal, still be friends with Europe, but we don’t need to be in the EU to still trade and do business. I don’t want a bad deal though like the Chequers Paper. No deal is better than a bad deal.

no they wont they still got all there trade deals we be only country in world with 0 trade deal and just be a insignificant island off the cost of Europe

no deal is the worst thing that can happen