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Old 13-04-2019, 10:21   #5116
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The content discussed in the article is just one strand of the Disney+ service, and I will not be subscribing to that because it will not contain the sort of material my wife and I watch.

The other two strands are ESPN Sport and Hulu. So not being followers of any sport, it is just the Hulu strand that would interest us, and we would certainly want to subscribe to that.
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The content discussed in the article is just one strand of the Disney+ service, and I will not be subscribing to that because it will not contain the sort of material my wife and I watch.

The other two strands are ESPN Sport and Hulu. So not being followers of any sport, it is just the Hulu strand that would interest us, and we would certainly want to subscribe to that.
So what’s the exhaustive list of known (and proposed) streaming services in the USA:

Netflix
Amazon
HBO
Disney+
ESPN
Hulu
Hayu
DAZN
Apple TV
DC Universe
Direct TV Now
WWE Network
UFC
F1
All the major sports NFL, NBA, NHL offer something.
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Old 13-04-2019, 13:22   #5118
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So what’s the exhaustive list of known (and proposed) streaming services in the USA:

Netflix
Amazon
HBO
Disney+
ESPN
Hulu
Hayu
DAZN
Apple TV
DC Universe
Direct TV Now
WWE Network
UFC
F1
All the major sports NFL, NBA, NHL offer something.
And the rest! For example:

https://flixed.io/complete-list-streaming-services/

People over here worry when they consider that one or two additional streaming services may be coming, but actually we have a very limited choice in the UK at the moment.

Ultimately, there will be lots to choose from and people will be able to choose the ones that best suit them. Very few will choose to subscribe to them all!
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I suspected as much. Better have deep pockets to maintain a comprehensive choice of viewing equivalent to that available now through Sky/Virgin. It doesn't take many £6s to add up to the basic package prices as it is.
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What exactly is ESPN going to be showing in the UK they left this market a long while ago. BT Sport now has a deal to show ESPN content and has a channel named accordingly.
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I suspected as much. Better have deep pockets to maintain a comprehensive choice of viewing equivalent to that available now through Sky/Virgin. It doesn't take many £6s to add up to the basic package prices as it is.
No, that's just silly. There is far more choice available on the streaming services. It would be pointless subscribing to all of them because you would never be able to get through it all.

I have a considerable watch list as it is with just Netflix and Amazon, so why would I want to add another half a dozen streaming services to that?

I would consider adding the Disney+ Hulu service and maybe Starzplay, but that would be it.

If Discovery offered a service with good content on it I might go for that but ditch Starzplay (I would probably have seen all I want to from their more limited content by then anyway).

Most people will just choose the services that are relevant to them. They will have a huge choice for less than they are currently paying for pay TV, and don't forget that quite a few AVOD services will also be available without subscription.

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What exactly is ESPN going to be showing in the UK they left this market a long while ago. BT Sport now has a deal to show ESPN content and has a channel named accordingly.
It may be that Disney will let the existing deal with BT run its course before offering the service, but just guessing to be honest.
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No, that's just silly. There is far more choice available on the streaming services. It would be pointless subscribing to all of them because you would never be able to get through it all.

I have a considerable watch list as it is with just Netflix and Amazon, so why would I want to add another half a dozen streaming services to that?

I would consider adding the Disney+ Hulu service and maybe Starzplay, but that would be it.

If Discovery offered a service with good content on it I might go for that but ditch Starzplay (I would probably have seen all I want to from their more limited content by then anyway).

Most people will just choose the services that are relevant to them. They will have a huge choice for less than they are currently paying for pay TV, and don't forget that quite a few AVOD services will also be available without subscription.

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It may be that Disney will let the existing deal with BT run its course before offering the service, but just guessing to be honest.
It's not really the point that you couldn't watch it all, I could never watch all of the content on 250 channels, but it's reducing the choice available and increasing the cost if the content someone would want to watch ends up across four or five different platforms.

If I go into work on Monday and someone raves about something they saw over the weekend I'll probably have access to it. In the future there's less chance.

"Oh, sorry, only three of the six streaming services I pay £30 a month for match up with your selection and I don't have that one."
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Old 13-04-2019, 19:21   #5123
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It's not really the point that you couldn't watch it all, I could never watch all of the content on 250 channels, but it's reducing the choice available and increasing the cost if the content someone would want to watch ends up across four or five different platforms.

If I go into work on Monday and someone raves about something they saw over the weekend I'll probably have access to it. In the future there's less chance.

"Oh, sorry, only three of the six streaming services I pay £30 a month for match up with your selection and I don't have that one."
That's not how it will work in practice, though. If you hear about a programme you particularly want to watch, you can dip into the service that provides it. There will not be any annual or 18 month contracts, so you can chop and change as much as you like.

Incidentally, I should also say that Britbox will give you a pretty comprehensive choice over multiple genres. Netflix is also getting into natural history programmes and documentaries to supplement its films and scripted dramas.
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That's not how it will work in practice, though. If you hear about a programme you particularly want to watch, you can dip into the service that provides it. There will not be any annual or 18 month contracts, so you can chop and change as much as you like.

Incidentally, I should also say that Britbox will give you a pretty comprehensive choice over multiple genres. Netflix is also getting into natural history programmes and documentaries to supplement its films and scripted dramas.
None of these companies are building business models where they realistically expect customers to subscribe for 2/3 months per year.
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Britbox in my view is highly likely to bomb out given the 80lb gorillas it will have to face as it has come to the party far too late when the horses has already bolted.

Add to that the complexities of content deals already done with other streaming companies by the Britbox players and the different distribution windows the main Britbox players want as well and the recipe is there for it to bomb out pretty quickly IMO.
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Disney prepares to strike back at Netflix...

https://www.theguardian.com/film/201...s-episode-nine

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Netflix has until now shown a clean pair of heels to all-comers, but is facing a much stiffer test as the Hollywood studios pull their content to boost their own planned rival streaming services.
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“Netflix’s content balance act continues to appear precarious,” says Michael Pachter, analyst at Wedbush Securities.

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“By the end of 2020, we expect all of this programming to have disappeared from Netflix, and we think the company will find replacing the content with originals a daunting task.”
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That’s a lot of hyperbole. Netflix may have a lot of old box sets and a few good films available but those who stick with their subscription do so because of their original content. Netflix knows this and is chucking millions at it.

Locally, most Marvel Studios content has never been available on Netflix UK, even though it has been available in the US. The TV spin offs mentioned in the article were commissioned by Netflix so it’s doubtful Disney could pull them even if it wanted to.

You can only get so much value out of a movie. What keeps subscribers coming back is TV serials and at the moment Disney has next to no heritage of producing TV material other than kids stuff, which is exactly what they don’t want to do if they want to compete with Netflix. What they are going to have to do is get Marvel and Lucasfilm turning out original series content for them, aimed at older teens and adults, which poses its own problems because Lucasfilm doesn’t know how and Marvel has previously only done TV with production partners such as Netflix or ABC. Whether or not they can steer their own productions process from start to finish without outside help remains to be seen.
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That’s a lot of hyperbole. Netflix may have a lot of old box sets and a few good films available but those who stick with their subscription do so because of their original content. Netflix knows this and is chucking millions at it.

Locally, most Marvel Studios content has never been available on Netflix UK, even though it has been available in the US. The TV spin offs mentioned in the article were commissioned by Netflix so it’s doubtful Disney could pull them even if it wanted to.

You can only get so much value out of a movie. What keeps subscribers coming back is TV serials and at the moment Disney has next to no heritage of producing TV material other than kids stuff, which is exactly what they don’t want to do if they want to compete with Netflix. What they are going to have to do is get Marvel and Lucasfilm turning out original series content for them, aimed at older teens and adults, which poses its own problems because Lucasfilm doesn’t know how and Marvel has previously only done TV with production partners such as Netflix or ABC. Whether or not they can steer their own productions process from start to finish without outside help remains to be seen.

Spot on, Chris
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Disney own ABC and have done for a very long time, so they have have a long history of non-kids television production.
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None of these companies are building business models where they realistically expect customers to subscribe for 2/3 months per year.
And yet that's exactly what some people do now. As subscriptions are not tied to one year contracts, clearly their business models do allow for people to dip in and out as they wish.

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https://www.theguardian.com/film/201...s-episode-nine
I don't buy it, Den. Netflix now has plenty of original material on it and that is certainly all I ever watch, apart from the occasional film.

I don't pay good money for the purpose of watching repeats, and judging by the amount of criticism the BBC has received over the years for the number of repeats it shows, I would imagine many people agree with me.

Those who like watching repeats need look no further than the UKTV channels.
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