Brexit - Page 250

Carth · 30-06-2019, 09:35

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Originally Posted by Mr K

. . The public were fed up generally with their lot and wanted to protest. It was more to do with austerity and 6 years of Tories, than the EU.

Really?

I guess you don't get out much do you, simply relying on what you read on specific web pages, news sites and social media.

That's akin to me saying those who voted remain all eat Sushi, have office jobs, and listen to Radio 4

pip08456 · 30-06-2019, 09:40

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Originally Posted by Carth

Really?

I guess you don't get out much do you, simply relying on what you read on specific web pages, news sites and social media.

That's akin to me saying those who voted remain all eat Sushi, have office jobs, and listen to Radio 4

Isn't that what they do??

papa smurf · 30-06-2019, 09:51

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Originally Posted by pip08456

Isn't that what they do??

They eat carrots not sushi,and recycle the same bullshit day after day.

**Maggy** · 30-06-2019, 10:28

Topic? Which is not the supposed habits of either leavers or remainers.

richard s · 02-07-2019, 19:31

Well Farage and all the other idiots showed how childish they are by turning their backs on the EU anthem... Farage not in my name.

nomadking · 02-07-2019, 19:41

There isn't and has NEVER been a deal on offer from ANYONE. From everything that has been on "offer" we would be looking at a "no deal" situation in 2021 regardless. That is unless the EU continue to hold us captive within their total control. IE Obeying the EU and ECJ, no trade deals allowed, and whatever else they will come up with.

Sephiroth · 02-07-2019, 19:48

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Originally Posted by richard s

Well Farage and all the other idiots showed how childish they are by turning their backs on the EU anthem... Farage not in my name.

Didn't the EU anthem get announced in the Parliaments as the "National Anthem"? The EU is not a nation; you show respect for a real national anthem but the EU is nothing of the sort.

Turning their backs on the EU anthem may not be to your taste, but at least those MEPs were true to their beliefs.

The EU is an undemocratic organisation; it cannot be anything else because of the diverse views of their 28 members. The Parliament is only a nod towards democracy because of elections. It has few powers other than to say "no" to legislation they don't like that has been proposed by the Commission; they cannot initiate laws. Even if they had the powers, they are so factionalised that it wouldn't work anyway; hence the way the EU is constructed - power at the centre only.

The British public (at least the 52%) have rumbled all this and want their sovereignty back.

1andrew1 · 02-07-2019, 19:51

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Originally Posted by richard s

Well Farage and all the other idiots showed how childish they are by turning their backs on the EU anthem... Farage not in my name.

They may have had some credibility if they turned their backs on their EU pay cheques and pensions as well.

nomadking · 02-07-2019, 19:51

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Originally Posted by Mr K

Is every General Election trying to overturn the democratic vote of the last GE? Things change; it's been over 3 years since the vote in which less than a third of the population voted for Brexit based on a pack of lies.

When there is another General Election, it ISN'T in order to prevent the result of the prior GE. A new government starts, passes laws etc. With the 2nd referendum, it is meant to prevent the prior decision being implemented at all.

1andrew1 · 02-07-2019, 19:54

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Originally Posted by nomadking

There isn't and has NEVER been a deal on offer from ANYONE. From everything that has been on "offer" we would be looking at a "no deal" situation in 2021 regardless. That is unless the EU continue to hold us captive within their total control. IE Obeying the EU and ECJ, no trade deals allowed, and whatever else they will come up with.

I seem to recall that Parliament voted on something about three times. I'm quite sure it wasn't the new paint colour in the mens' toilets that they were voting on.

nomadking · 02-07-2019, 20:01

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I seem to recall that Parliament voted on something about three times. I'm quite sure it wasn't the new paint colour in the mens' toilets that they were voting on.

But it WASN'T a deal that would be in place from 2021 onwards.

Even if they had approved that bill, in 2021 we would be in a no deal situation anyway.

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Originally Posted by richard s

Well Farage and all the other idiots showed how childish they are by turning their backs on the EU anthem... Farage not in my name.

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Meanwhile the Liberal Democrats' own MEPs delivered their own message as they arrived.
The group wore bright yellow t-shirts with 'stop Brexit' emblazoned across the chest and 'b* to Brexit' on the back.

Sephiroth · 02-07-2019, 20:01

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

They may have had some credibility if they turned their backs on their EU pay cheques and pensions as well.

Another ridiculous statement. They are MEPs, representing their constituents, and as such can only do so if they are remunerated.

1andrew1 · 02-07-2019, 20:06

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Originally Posted by nomadking

But it WASN'T a deal that would be in place from 2021 onwards.

Even if they had approved that bill, in 2021 we would be in a no deal situation anyway.

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The deal would still be in place in 2021 as we negotiated the free trade deal.

nomadking · 02-07-2019, 20:08

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

The deal would still be in place in 2021 as we negotiated the free trade deal.

What free trade deal? Where does it say that? Unless the EU are planning to hold us hostage with the backstop.
From the Withdrawal Agreement.

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There shall be a transition or implementation period, which shall start on the date of entry into force
of this Agreement and end on 31 December 2020.

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In the immediate aftermath of Brexit, our trade relationship would not change. During any transition period, current EU laws would continue to apply, but beyond that it's not clear what tariffs, regulations or checks might be deemed necessary to allow us to trade in goods or services with EU countries. If no long-term trade deal is agreed and the so-called "backstop" comes into force, the whole of the UK would stay in a "single customs territory", meaning no tariffs on UK-EU trade, but also no freedom to set lower tariffs on trade with other countries outside the EU.

IE there is NOT a deal currently in place or even offered.

1andrew1 · 02-07-2019, 20:49

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Originally Posted by nomadking

What free trade deal? Where does it say that? Unless the EU are planning to hold us hostage with the backstop.
From the Withdrawal Agreement.

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IE there is NOT a deal currently in place or even offered.

It could be extended until December 2022.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/worl...tant-1.3671622

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A timely reminder from the Chancellor about the economic impact of a no deal. These do include a generous allowance for free trade deals with the US and others.

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Mr Hammond also repeated warnings contained in a government Brexit analysis from November 2018 about the cost to the exchequer of a “modelled no-deal scenario”, saying it would leave a hole in the public finances of “£90bn a year”.
In fact the analysis suggested the impact would be £95bn under that scenario, compared with a £72bn hit if there was a “modelled average free-trade agreement” with the EU, and a £22bn loss under a Norway-style close relationship with the bloc.

https://www.ft.com/content/d63ad18c-...e-8b459ed04726