Updated: Boris resigns as party leader

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...postcount=3183

I’m not joining in with the silly comments. When a sensible discussion commences, no doubt I will give my views. But until then, that’s all I’m commenting on just now. You’ll eventually get all that hate and vitriol out of your systems. One hopes.

Wanting to see the back of the worst Prime Minister in recent memory, a liar, someone who has broken the law, someone who cannot be relied upon to deliver manifesto commitments is very far from “hate” or “vitriol”.

He haphazardly partially delivered one policy and that hasn’t even settled the rifts in the party that it was intended to.

[Sephiroth]

Well, Brown was worse and he wasn't even a chronic liar.

I don't think Brown was the worse PM, just a dull one.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Chris

TBH I think all anyone wants is for you to give some account of your absolute faith that Boris would weather this storm, in the light of the events of the past 36 hours. For some reason you felt confident to make ever more assertive and absolute predictions about his survival (someone quoted a selection of them earlier), even as everyone else - including some very long, long-term Conservative voters like me - could see the writing was on the wall and it was only a matter of when, not if.

It looks increasingly like you felt obliged to dig your heels in just because someone disagreed with you and not because your view was grounded in any attempt at analysis of the situation.

I thought he could continue after Partygate, but as the Pincher allegations took hold and the media seized on individual words BJ used to describe what had happened, it became obvious to me that this was one allegation too many, and he had to go because the media and the Opposition was not going to relent.

It is important to remember that he is not out due to his policies or their implementation. He’s out because people seem to think that trivial issues like the PM receiving a fine for that cake ambush were more important than the wider interests of this country.

I do believe that we have got this completely out of proportion. I know Boris had his faults, of course I do, but I wanted him to continue for his vision of the future. He knew how he was going to achieve levelling up, make a success of Brexit and address the NHS/Care system, issues which were pretty unique to him. Who else is there to adequately achieve his mandate for governing? That is now the question - that’s what the people voted for.

I am not optimistic at this time. Wallace appears to be a good candidate, but he voted remain. Does he understand what Brexit was designed to achieve?

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I thought he could continue after Partygate, but as the Pincher allegations took hold and the media seized on individual words BJ used to describe what had happened, it became obvious to me that this was one allegation too many, and he had to go because the media and the Opposition was not going to relent.

It is important to remember that he is not out due to his policies or their implementation. He’s out because people seem to think that trivial issues like the PM receiving a fine for that cake ambush were more important than the wider interests of this country.

I do believe that we have got this completely out of proportion. I know Boris had his faults, of course I do, but I wanted him to continue for his vision of the future. He knew how he was going to achieve levelling up, make a success of Brexit and address the NHS/Care system, issues which were pretty unique to him. Who else is there to adequately achieve his mandate for governing? That is now the question - that’s what the people voted for.

I cannot believe you are still spouting such levels of bovine excrement, he's not going because of cake, he's not going because of a fine, he's not even going because he gave a job to a sexual predator who I'll remind you that you tried to excuse with nonsense about school bike sheds, he's not going because of the newspapers or the opposition either, he's going because his colleagues are sick of his lies and dishonesty, they're sick of him making them look stupid being wheeled out to defend him only for the story to change hours later, bozos lack of integrity caught up with him and he has no one to blame but himself

I am not optimistic at this time. Wallace appears to be a good candidate, but he voted remain. Does he understand what Brexit was designed to achieve?

Does anyone?

[Dave42]

i take a dull but competent PM right now hopefully next one can be

[Sephiroth]

@OB

No matter what the vision for the country that a PM has, if he cannot execute it without provably lying, throwing other ministers under the bus, then he has to go.

Not only that, his legacy will be a ridiculous chest pouting re-wilding policy, failure to read the runes and get coal/gas production into operation quickly. Failure to enhance food production; failure to incentivise inward investment (corporation tax rise); failure to adequately tackle the current fuel crisis. I could go on, including that ridiculous HS2 project.

[1andrew1]

Lying to the public did not unseat him. But lying to his collleagues did.

https://twitter.com/pippacrerar/stat...JvBB73vpAN8UlQ

EXCL: Boris Johnson and wife Carrie are planning big wedding bash at Chequers within weeks - with sources saying it's part of reason he wants to stay as caretaker.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Lying to the public did not unseat him. But lying to his collleagues did.

Let’s be honest he’s been lying to them for years and many tolerated it for so long as he was an electoral asset. A Government crashing from chaotic event to chaotic event, sliding in the polls and overseeing the biggest collapse in living standards in many of our lifetimes wasn’t going to be put up with until electoral defeat in 2024.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Lying to the public did not unseat him. But lying to his collleagues did.

Also, complete lack of integrity.

Has Johnson actually resigned?

https://www.newstatesman.com/politic...prime-minister

The most important line Boris Johnson uttered in his quasi-resignation speech outside No 10 this afternoon was this: “I have today appointed a cabinet to serve, as I will, until a new leader is in place.”

Johnson is seeking to stay on through the summer – indefinitely, even, as the timetable for the election of a new leader has not been confirmed. He has not tendered his resignation as Prime Minister.

He did concede that “it is clearly now the will of the parliamentary Conservative party that there should be a new leader of that party and therefore a new prime minister”, and he agreed that “the process of choosing that new leader should begin now”. Although that choice has been taken out of his hands by the party itself: he will soon be removed as Tory party leader, whether he wants to be or not.

But he can, technically, be deposed as Tory leader and remain in office. He will not be removed from No 10 until he tenders his resignation as Prime Minister, or until he loses a vote of no confidence in the House of Commons (the last PM to lose such a vote was Labour’s Jim Callaghan in March 1979). Johnson will not, like Donald Trump, attempt to stay in power once the Tory party does select a new leader, but he has notably chosen not to tender his resignation as Prime Minister until it does.

It is not clear if that position can hold, but by not resigning he is forcing his party’s MPs to remove him in the Commons if they object.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Mick

I don't think Brown was the worse PM, just a dull one.

That's a fair summary. Labour does need someone other than Starmer to galvanise his Party. You could argue Brown has more charisma - damning with faint praise.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

@OB

No matter what the vision for the country that a PM has, if he cannot execute it without provably lying, throwing other ministers under the bus, then he has to go.

Not only that, his legacy will be a ridiculous chest pouting re-wilding policy, failure to read the runes and get coal/gas production into operation quickly. Failure to enhance food production; failure to incentivise inward investment (corporation tax rise); failure to adequately tackle the current fuel crisis. I could go on, including that ridiculous HS2 project.

I understand those things are important to you, but he has had rather a lot on (in case you hadn’t noticed), and hasn’t served the full term for which he was elected.

HS2 is not ridiculous.Updating the transport infrastructure of our country is important. Our existing roads and railways are antiquated compared with other prosperous countries in the world. We can’t expect to compete in the modern world by continuing to look ‘quaint’.

I look at what he has achieved and what he was aspiring to achieve. The tittle-tattle that has preoccupied people on this forum was unimportant in the scheme of things.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I understand those things are important to you, but he has had rather a lot on (in case you hadn’t noticed), and hasn’t served the full term for which he was elected.

HS2 is not ridiculous.Updating the transport infrastructure of our country is important. Our existing roads and railways are antiquated compared with other prosperous countries in the world. We can’t expect to compete in the modern world by continuing to look ‘quaint’.

I look at what he has achieved and what he was aspiring to achieve. The tittle-tattle that has preoccupied people on this forum was unimportant in the scheme of things.

It’s depressing that even after all of this, you still think that multiple, serious issues of personal integrity are “tittle tattle”.