20-02-2019, 13:23
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Re: 11 MPs leave their Parties to join The Independent Group
I think the Tories will be better off without them to be honest.
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20-02-2019, 13:37
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Re: 11 MPs leave their Parties to join The Independent Group
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I think the Tories will be better off without them to be honest.
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True.
One now has to ask what they all stand for, what is their message, what policies they ALL agree on?
A New Political Party sounds hunky dory, but they have to some form of political will and at the moment, I am not seeing it, it's just a mill of disgruntled MPs, none of them so far have leadership qualities.
If May calls an election, they would all pretty much lose their seats, they are just not election ready or a viable option.
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20-02-2019, 16:08
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Re: 11 MPs leave their Parties to join The Independent Group
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I think the Tories will be better off without them to be honest.
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disagree being held hostage to far right aint good at all same as labour being held hostage to far left is not good for country at all
like many people in this country I am now politically homeless
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20-02-2019, 16:18
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Re: 11 MPs leave their Parties to join The Independent Group
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disagree be held hostage to far right aint good at all same as labour being held hostage to far left is not good for country at all
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The politics of extremes never works out well as anybody who follows politics will know.
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20-02-2019, 16:19
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Re: 11 MPs leave their Parties to join The Independent Group
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The politics of extremes never works out well as anybody who follows politics will know.
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exactly Den
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20-02-2019, 17:08
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Re: 11 MPs leave their Parties to join The Independent Group
It’s absurd to call the Tories as presently represented in the Commons “extreme”.
These three have left the party over a single issue, namely Brexit. This, they are entitled to do. But to equate Brexit with right wing extremism, while at the same time eight ex-Labour MPs are accusing their party of lurching to the left and failing to oppose Brexit, is daft, especially as everybody knows they don’t come much more lefty than Jeremy Corbyn (who is and always has been Eurosceptic, and is only prevented from saying so because he leads a broadly Euro-sympathetic party that relies on votes from a broadly Eurosceptic working class client group).
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20-02-2019, 17:44
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Re: 11 MPs leave their Parties to join The Independent Group
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I know you're being somewhat ironic there, but I do think you are right - they were elected for their party, and now they've changed sides there should be a by-election.
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Should Farage, Nuttall, and the (around) ten other ex-UKIP MEPs who are now "Independent", also stand down as MEPs? (and Mark Reckless, who was elected as a UKIP Welsh Assembly member, but then left UKIP).
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20-02-2019, 18:10
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Re: 11 MPs leave their Parties to join The Independent Group
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Should Farage, Nuttall, and the (around) ten other ex-UKIP MEPs who are now "Independent", also stand down as MEPs? (and Mark Reckless, who was elected as a UKIP Welsh Assembly member, but then left UKIP).
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Bit late for that with only 37 days left as a member of the EU.
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20-02-2019, 18:35
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Re: 11 MPs leave their Parties to join The Independent Group
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Bit late for that with only 37 days left as a member of the EU.
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The Welsh Assembly is not dependent on our remaining in the EU though so would you like Mr Reckless to stand down?
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20-02-2019, 19:00
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Re: 11 MPs leave their Parties to join The Independent Group
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Well, that went well...
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news...party-15861929
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Derek Hatton has been suspended from the Labour Party just a day after his readmission was confirmed, the Echo understands.
The controversial former deputy leader of Liverpool Council has been notified of the suspension pending an investigation into a tweet he posted in 2012.
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Brewery, arrange, couldn’t, drinking session, a, in, a - please re-arrange...
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I don’t think Jess Phillips MP is long for the Labour Party...
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@jessphillips says "if you are not in @jeremycorbyn's gang" it feels like you "have no role in the party".
She adds that she was "born Labour" but finds it hard to disagree with the issues raised by the eight MPs who have quit.
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Video in link.
https://mobile.twitter.com/SkyNewsPo...09150616682496
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20-02-2019, 19:15
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Re: 11 MPs leave their Parties to join The Independent Group
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The Welsh Assembly is not dependent on our remaining in the EU though so would you like Mr Reckless to stand down?
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Yes.
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20-02-2019, 20:47
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Re: 11 MPs leave their Parties to join The Independent Group
UKIP MEP Steven Woolfe needs some ointment after this burn from Conservative Central Office.
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20-02-2019, 23:34
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Re: 11 MPs leave their Parties to join The Independent Group
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Should Farage, Nuttall, and the (around) ten other ex-UKIP MEPs who are now "Independent", also stand down as MEPs? (and Mark Reckless, who was elected as a UKIP Welsh Assembly member, but then left UKIP).
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Your question is nonsensical- none of them have ironically, been hypocritical in asking for a second vote because so called “new information” exists.
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It’s absurd to call the Tories as presently represented in the Commons “extreme”.
These three have left the party over a single issue, namely Brexit. This, they are entitled to do. But to equate Brexit with right wing extremism, while at the same time eight ex-Labour MPs are accusing their party of lurching to the left and failing to oppose Brexit, is daft, especially as everybody knows they don’t come much more lefty than Jeremy Corbyn (who is and always has been Eurosceptic, and is only prevented from saying so because he leads a broadly Euro-sympathetic party that relies on votes from a broadly Eurosceptic working class client group).
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Agree. There is no far right or Extremism in the Conservative Party. It is not a far right to want to leave EU.
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21-02-2019, 01:43
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Your question is nonsensical- none of them have ironically, been hypocritical in asking for a second vote because so called “new information” exists.
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Agree. There is no far right or Extremism in the Conservative Party. It is not a far right to want to leave EU.
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they sure is far right in Conservative party as well as there is far left in control of Labour party but totally agree it not just far right that wants to leave EU as there people from far right to center to far left that do too
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21-02-2019, 07:58
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Re: 11 MPs leave their Parties to join The Independent Group
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Your question is nonsensical- none of them have ironically, been hypocritical in asking for a second vote because so called “new information” exists.
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Agree. There is no far right or Extremism in the Conservative Party. It is not a far right to want to leave EU.
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People said that the MPs who left their Political parties should hold a by-election as they were elected because they were affiliated to a Party (Labour or Conservative), and that’s who voters voted for - how is it "nonsensical" to apply the same logic to UKIP MEPs who lave left UKIP?
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