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jfman · 16-12-2018, 14:49

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

If I understand you correctly, if she allows a referendum, she has gone turncoat on her oft repeated statements that there is to be no such thing.

But she remains committed to her deal, and gets to stiff Rees-Mogg etc because no deal will be off the ballot once Parliament has had a say.

She can hand on heart stare down a TV camera and say she believes this is best for the country, delivers on the referendum result and the only way to achieve this is due to divisions in her party and the opposition is to have public support for it.

Why do you think she has been targeting people directly, and there are Government funded ads on social media “selling” her deal?

Mr K · 16-12-2018, 14:49

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Originally Posted by Mick

Screw the corrupted Maastricht treaty in which NOONE had a say on thanks to John Major!!!

So no, I will not tell you again - I am not a EU citizen and I will not accept no-one else telling me I am so cease doing so because it is bloody pointless. If I say I am not an EU citizen, I am not- I am a British and nothing else-end of discussion!

Never mind Mick when we import your French printed 'British' passport in 'bleu', you'll be a happy man

(thats if it ever gets pass the queues at the ports.... )

denphone · 16-12-2018, 14:56

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

If I understand you correctly, if she allows a referendum, she has gone turncoat on her oft repeated statements that there is to be no such thing.

Well she has form as we all know in calling a General Election when she said countless times that there would not be one and then she stated unequivocally that there would be a vote last Tuesday which of course there was not and now she says there will be a vote before the 21st of January which of course they won't be..

Mr K · 16-12-2018, 15:00

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Originally Posted by denphone

Well she has form as we all know in calling a General Election when she said countless times that there would not be one and then she stated unequivocally that there would be a vote last Tuesday which of course there was not and now she says there will be a vote before the 21st of January which of course they won't be..

One thing is true about TM, she listens to no one, which will be her downfall. Bit like the captain of the Titanic....

1andrew1 · 16-12-2018, 15:05

Liam Fox becomes the first Brexiter minister to call for free indicative vote in parliament.

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If Theresa May's Brexit deal isn't passed by MPs, then Parliament might have to decide what to do next, cabinet minister Liam Fox has said.
The senior Brexiteer said the PM's deal was unlikely to pass through Parliament unless the backstop issue was resolved.
He said one option could be a "free vote" for MPs.
One option being widely suggested is another referendum - but Mr Fox told the Andrew Marr Show this was unlikely and would not "heal division".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46584654

heero_yuy · 16-12-2018, 15:06

Please sign the petition: Leave the EU without a deal in March 2019. to put the pressure on.

1andrew1 · 16-12-2018, 15:10

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Originally Posted by Mr K

Never mind Mick when we import your French printed 'British' passport in 'bleu', you'll be a happy man

(thats if it ever gets pass the queues at the ports.... )

If I was working for the Passport Agency, I wouldn't be instructing the printers Gemalto to remove the words "European Union" for now, given the current uncertainties. They can of course still be blue and be European Union, the current colour is recommended but not obligatory.

jfman · 16-12-2018, 15:20

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Liam Fox becomes the first Brexiter minister to call for free indicative vote in parliament.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46584654

As soon as Parliament gets voting for it’s preferences that’s the the game up for Brexit.

Dave42 · 16-12-2018, 15:59

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

If I understand you correctly, if she allows a referendum, she has gone turncoat on her oft repeated statements that there is to be no such thing.

or her cabinet want one which some are moving for one now

djfunkdup · 16-12-2018, 16:15

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Please sign the petition: Leave the EU without a deal in March 2019. to put the pressure on.

Done

Carth · 16-12-2018, 16:25

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Originally Posted by jfman

. . . there are Government funded ads on social media “selling” her deal

Really?

My word, that's a sign of desperation if ever I saw one

1andrew1 · 16-12-2018, 18:47

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Originally Posted by jfman

Attacking Blair gets good headlines and makes her appear strong.

This hasn't worked out too well for her. Not only is she being criticised for hypocrisy (she didn't criticise John Major who did the same thing as Blair) but Blair has responded in a reasoned manner.

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Responding to Mrs May's criticism, Mr Blair said: "To describe such a course as an insult is a strange description of what would be the opportunity for them to instruct Parliament as to how to proceed.
"Far from being anti-democratic, it would be the opposite - as indeed many senior figures in her party from past and present have been saying.
"What is irresponsible however is to try to steamroller MPs into accepting a deal they genuinely think is a bad one with the threat that if they do not fall into line, the government will have the country crash out without a deal."

https://news.sky.com/story/blair-and...r-mps-11582978

papa smurf · 16-12-2018, 18:56

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Please sign the petition: Leave the EU without a deal in March 2019. to put the pressure on.

done

Sephiroth · 16-12-2018, 19:18

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

This hasn't worked out too well for her. Not only is she being criticised for hypocrisy (she didn't criticise John Major who did the same thing as Blair) but Blair has responded in a reasoned manner.

https://news.sky.com/story/blair-and...r-mps-11582978

Responding to Mrs May's criticism, Mr Blair said: "To describe such a course as an insult is a strange description of what would be the opportunity for them to instruct Parliament as to how to proceed."

Pure Blair hypocrisy. The Referendum has instructed Parliament as to how to proceed. But the Parliamentarians have become anti-democratic by not fulfilling the Referendum's mandate.

That you, Andrew, consider Blair's words as "reasoned" condemns you.

jfman · 16-12-2018, 19:29

I’m inclined to think Blair is a polarising figure.

People either supported New Labour and got over the Iraq thing, or they didn’t and he was a war criminal. I think the for the audience May is appealing to the vast majority won’t side with Blair under any circumstances.