21-02-2019, 09:02
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Re: 11 MPs leave their Parties to join The Independent Group
More resignations from the Conservative party on the way perhaps?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...exit-direction
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The former attorney general Dominic Grieve and the former education secretary Justine Greening both said they would leave the Conservatives if there was a no-deal Brexit, as the three ex-Tory MPs warned that a third of the party could be willing to join them.
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21-02-2019, 09:05
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Re: 11 MPs leave their Parties to join The Independent Group
Let's hope that Rees-Mogg,Johnson,Gove join their numbers..
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21-02-2019, 09:30
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Re: 11 MPs leave their Parties to join The Independent Group
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People said that the MPs who left their Political parties should hold a by-election as they were elected because they were affiliated to a Party (Labour or Conservative), and that’s who voters voted for - how is it "nonsensical" to apply the same logic to UKIP MEPs who lave left UKIP?
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I explained why it is nonsensical, in the same post. Read it!!!
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Let's hope that Rees-Mogg,Johnson,Gove join their numbers..
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Let’s not. But nothing wrong with Labour’s Front Bench ?
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21-02-2019, 11:36
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Re: 11 MPs leave their Parties to join The Independent Group
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Should Farage, Nuttall, and the (around) ten other ex-UKIP MEPs who are now "Independent", also stand down as MEPs? (and Mark Reckless, who was elected as a UKIP Welsh Assembly member, but then left UKIP).
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Yes, they should.
They get elected on essentially a party ticket - and then distance themselves from that party. If that happens it should trigger a re-election
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21-02-2019, 12:31
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Re: 11 MPs leave their Parties to join The Independent Group
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I explained why it is nonsensical, in the same post. Read it!!!
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Let’s not. But nothing wrong with Labour’s Front Bench ?
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Yes your probably right but nothing wrong in hoping. If we can get rid of all the infighting that seems to have infested Parliament at the moment we might actually get back to the business of running the country and dealing with important issues actually sorted out.
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21-02-2019, 13:04
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Re: 11 MPs leave their Parties to join The Independent Group
While I vote for a person MP's are also elected based on their party and the party assists with their election so if you resign the whip yourself you should really step down.
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21-02-2019, 13:21
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Re: 11 MPs leave their Parties to join The Independent Group
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While I vote for a person MP's are also elected based on their party and the party assists with their election so if you resign the whip yourself you should really step down.
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Yes, and demanding a second referendum whilst denying your own constituants a by-election vote on whether you should still be their MP is rank hypocracy.
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21-02-2019, 14:03
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Re: 11 MPs leave their Parties to join The Independent Group
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The Welsh Assembly is not dependent on our remaining in the EU though so would you like Mr Reckless to stand down?
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I think if any politician leaves the party they were voted in to serve by the public they should go back to the people in a local election, put forward the new party's manifesto for the people to vote on and see who's interested,most people vote for a party not a person imo.
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21-02-2019, 14:23
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Re: 11 MPs leave their Parties to join The Independent Group
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I think if any politician leaves the party they were voted in to serve by the public they should go back to the people in a local election, put forward the new party's manifesto for the people to vote on and see who's interested,most people vote for a party not a person imo.
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Unless the person voted for is an Independant with their own platform then a party member is elected not just for themselves but also the platform the party is putting forward.
If they then leave the party they should stand again and put forward the alternative platform they are standing on.
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21-02-2019, 14:23
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Re: 11 MPs leave their Parties to join The Independent Group
Perhaps the electoral rules should be changed to make that happen
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21-02-2019, 14:41
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Re: 11 MPs leave their Parties to join The Independent Group
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Yes, and demanding a second referendum whilst denying your own constituants a by-election vote on whether you should still be their MP is rank hypocracy.
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Exactly this.
I would welcome any change in electoral law that said anyone who resigned the whip of their Party, effectively resigning from their party and parliament as a sitting MP. They are no longer representing the policies they were elected on and yes I expect this to apply to ALL, including Farage. The issue I raised above with Hugh is that Farage has hardly been calling for a second referendum, or a peoples vote, the MPs who have joined "TIG", have and ALL of them are advocating that they don't need a people's vote in a by-election.
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21-02-2019, 15:24
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Re: 11 MPs leave their Parties to join The Independent Group
But Farage and others have resigned the whip, and from the party, of UKIP.
Are you saying if a Tory or Labour MP resigns from their Party, and Whip, but still follows their Manifesto, they don't need to resign from their current seat or stand in a by-election as an independent MP?
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21-02-2019, 15:30
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Re: 11 MPs leave their Parties to join The Independent Group
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But Farage and others have resigned the whip, and from the party, of UKIP.
Are you saying if a Tory or Labour MP resigns from their Party, and Whip, but still follows their Manifesto, they don't need to resign from their current seat or stand in a by-election as an independent MP?
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Why would anyone resign from a party and still follow that party's manefesto? It doesn't make sense.
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21-02-2019, 16:56
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Re: 11 MPs leave their Parties to join The Independent Group
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Why would anyone resign from a party and still follow that party's manefesto? It doesn't make sense.
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You would have to ask the UKIP MEPs - that’s what they’ve done...
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21-02-2019, 17:10
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Re: 11 MPs leave their Parties to join The Independent Group
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You would have to ask the UKIP MEPs - that’s what they’ve done...
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This thread is not about UKIP MEPs. We’re talking about MPs so stay on topic.
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