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Old 14-01-2021, 15:21   #2491
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The FBI aren't messing around either. It'll be interesting to see if anything comes out of all these sites, messages and phones call of the suspects they're investigating, there have been suggestions these people knew where to go.
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None of what this hard-working octogenarian Democrat says is going to change the two successful impeachments, though is it?
Erm, were you blind or living under a rock during the 1st impeachment process Andrew?

1st Impeachment FAILED in the Senate so how can it be successful?

A successful Impeachment is removal from office, he was not removed from office, thus, the Democrats failed the first time and they will fail this time, thus they are unsuccessful as well as acting in an unconstitutional manner, scumbag democrats are not above the law so the rest of your ridiculous assertion is a moot point.
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Erm, were you blind or living under a rock during the 1st impeachment process Andrew?

1st Impeachment FAILED in the Senate so how can it be successful?

A successful Impeachment is removal from office, he was not removed from office, thus, the Democrats failed the first time and they will fail this time, thus they are unsuccessful as well as acting in an unconstitutional manner, scumbag democrats are not above the law so the rest of your ridiculous assertion is a moot point.
No - impeachment is the equivalent of indictment, that is, he has been found to have a case to answer. Impeachment is the House's job. They have impeached him, successfully, twice. The Senate's job is to hear the case, debate it and pass judgment. That process is not impeachment.

True the word 'impeachment' is often carelessly used to refer to the entire two-stage process but Andrew is technically and constitutionally correct.
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No - impeachment is the equivalent of indictment, that is, he has been found to have a case to answer. Impeachment is the House's job. They have impeached him, successfully, twice. The Senate's job is to hear the case, debate it and pass judgment. That process is not impeachment.

True the word 'impeachment' is often carelessly used to refer to the entire two-stage process but Andrew is technically and constitutionally correct.
Wrong - I am sticking to my definition which is the correct assertion.

A successful impeachment is removal from office, Trump has not been removed from office so it was not successful. Nor was it constitutional as per Constitutional experts analysis, Alan Dershowitz.
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Erm, were you blind or living under a rock during the 1st impeachment process Andrew?

1st Impeachment FAILED in the Senate so how can it be successful?

A successful Impeachment is removal from office, he was not removed from office, thus, the Democrats failed the first time and they will fail this time, thus they are unsuccessful as well as acting in an unconstitutional manner, scumbag democrats are not above the law so the rest of your ridiculous assertion is a moot point.
During the first Impeachment process, the the President's lawyer said they couldn't impeach this close to an Election, and it should be left up to the voters - when it was left up to the voters, the Republicans didn't accept that either...
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Yet the president’s defense lawyers also zeroed in on this November’s election, arguing that voters, and not senators, should be the ones to decide whether Trump stays in office or not.

“We put our faith in the Senate because we know that you will put your faith in the American people,” White House counsel said Pat Cipollone in his closing arguments. “You will leave this choice to them where it belongs,” he said. “We believe that they should choose the president.”
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According to Sky News today:

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What is impeachment?
A misconception about impeachment is that it refers to the removal of a president from office.

In fact, it refers only to the House of Representatives, the lower chamber of Congress, bringing charges that a president engaged in a "high crime or misdemeanour".
https://news.sky.com/story/donald-tr...-time-12186887
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According to Sky News today:

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What is impeachment?
A misconception about impeachment is that it refers to the removal of a president from office.

In fact, it refers only to the House of Representatives, the lower chamber of Congress, bringing charges that a president engaged in a "high crime or misdemeanour".
https://news.sky.com/story/donald-tr...-time-12186887
Interesting point from ABC News.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/impe...ry?id=51202880
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The Senate is tasked with handling the impeachment trial, which is presided over by the chief justice of the United States. To remove a president from office, two-thirds of the members must vote in favor – at present 67.

If the Senate fails to convict, a president is considered impeached but is not removed, as was the case with both Clinton in 1998 and Andrew Johnson in 1868. In Johnson’s case, the Senate fell one vote short of removing him from office on all three counts.

While the Senate trial has the power to oust a president from office, and ban him or her from running for future office, it does not have the power to send a president to jail. Disqualification from holding office, a separate process, requires a simple majority vote, according to the Congressional Research Service.
I did not know that.
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But it is still not a successful impeachment that you implied - the ultimate reason for impeachment is removal from office, this was the Democrats goal, it failed as well as it being unconstitutionally applied by Congress, as per Dershowitz legal and constitutional expert opinion and I'll take a legal experts opinion over your non-legal expert opinion, any day.

We could argue all day, but we're not going to.

Time to move on. [Yes an instruction].
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Erm, were you blind or living under a rock during the 1st impeachment process Andrew?

1st Impeachment FAILED in the Senate so how can it be successful?

A successful Impeachment is removal from office, he was not removed from office, thus, the Democrats failed the first time and they will fail this time, thus they are unsuccessful as well as acting in an unconstitutional manner, scumbag democrats are not above the law so the rest of your ridiculous assertion is a moot point.

From watching CNN last night the second impeachment has a better chance as the senate will be democrat controlled, the last was republican.
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Like I said, the impeachment process is a divisive and self indulgent (by the Democrats) piece of vindictiveness. If Trump has transgressed the law or is reasonably suspected of same, the Attorney General can deal with that after 20-January. And, unlike one or two here, I don't like Trump - whether or not the election was rigged by the Democrats which the courts have rejected.
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From watching CNN last night the second impeachment has a better chance as the senate will be democrat controlled, the last was republican.
The impeachment has already occurred in the House. The question now is whether the impeachment results in a conviction. That is more difficult to achieve because impeachment only requires a simple majority in the House of Representatives. Once it gets to the Senate, a two-thirds majority is required for conviction. This is only marginally easier in the incoming Senate, because it's only Democrat-controlled on the casting vote of the Vice President. Otherwise, the new Senate is actually split 50/50. On these figures, 17 Republicans would have to vote for conviction. The NY Times has information suggesting 20 of them are open to the prospect of convicting Trump, so who knows.
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The impeachment has already occurred in the House. The question now is whether the impeachment results in a conviction. That is more difficult to achieve because impeachment only requires a simple majority in the House of Representatives. Once it gets to the Senate, a two-thirds majority is required for conviction. This is only marginally easier in the incoming Senate, because it's only Democrat-controlled on the casting vote of the Vice President. Otherwise, the new Senate is actually split 50/50. On these figures, 17 Republicans would have to vote for conviction. The NY Times has information suggesting 20 of them are open to the prospect of convicting Trump, so who knows.
But if there is a full blown blood n guts revolution in the coming days none of this will matter
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But if there is a full blown blood n guts revolution in the coming days none of this will matter
Yeah .. I think the gun fetishists are more interested in polishing their weapons than getting shot at. They talk a good game but when it comes to it there are now several thousand armed, professional soldiers between them and their wet dream. I think American democracy is safe (for now, at least).
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Yeah .. I think the gun fetishists are more interested in polishing their weapons than getting shot at. They talk a good game but when it comes to it there are now several thousand armed, professional soldiers between them and their wet dream. I think American democracy is safe (for now, at least).
These are American soldiers so expect 90% friendly fire kills if it kicks off, and who knows how many of them are Trump supporters
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