*ALL* ntl Cap Discussion Here Please. (Part 2)

[purenuman]

Originally Posted by BloodyL

Laugh it up fuzzball!

I will..... Thanks!

[BloodyL]

Originally Posted by scrotnig

Do they also pop round and make phone calls on your telephone?

If they did, would you complain to your phone company that your bill had gone up but it wasn't you that made the calls?

Incorrect analogy my friend, the bill hasn't gone up, the usage has been limited.
And yes, I would complain if ntl turned round and said that I could have a clearer audio signal on my phone line at no extra charge but they are going to limit me to ten calls a day.
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Originally Posted by purenuman

I will..... Thanks!

Hehehe..

[Florence]

Regardless of what is said about NTL not sneaking the cap in this time they failed on hte communicatioin side. 1gig a day 12 months ago was forced then after the outrage of customers it was let slip and left there in silence but with the increase speeds the cap should have been researched and customers perhaps asked a few questions to see what applications they would be using. These speeds are good for bandwidth hungy applications that are legal but are no limited. This quote from a news post on ISPr will show how others are handling the capping situation and communicating with their consumers to find the best way. They seem not willing to lose the customers over caps that are just too restrictive.

Managing heavy usage

With VoIP and other volume hungry applications becoming more popular, the way in which ISPs manage demand is set to become a key challenge in coming months. Nildram has addressed this through a fair usage policy, which allows non-pay as you go non-business users up to 50GB per month, offering extra bandwidth for sale at 99p per GB. To give you an idea of how much 50GB of data is, it would be equivalent to watching an average broadband video stream (300kbps) for around 11 hours a day, every day of the month †“ so we feel that this gives users plenty of headroom. Some other ISPs have taken a more heavy-handed approach, expelling "broadband hogs" or shifting them on to special "bad boy pipes".

Over the next year weââ‚ ¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢ll see the roll out of the much anticipated 8MB circuits. Clearly this is paving the way for IPTV, again raising issues about usage management. While many service providerââ‚à ƒâ€šÃ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢s PR engines have kicked into overdrive, the reality is that BT have yet to announce full details, although a trial is expected from July. The answers here probably lie in a change in pricing model between service providers, content providers and consumers.

Itâ₠¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢ll be interesting to see how the rest of the industry deals with the capping issue. When NTL set its cap at 1GB per day in 2003, there was outrage from many of their users, some of which banded together and formed a pressure group against the move. However, the vast majority of our customer base utilise less than 50 GB per month †“ less than one per cent would be affected by our own fair usage policy - and the feedback weâ₠¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢ve had so far has, almost without exception, been positive.

Taken from http://www.ispreview.co.uk/cgi-bin/n...lAEplkRtMxwkJt

[purenuman]

Originally Posted by Kits

Regardless of what is said about NTL not sneaking the cap in this time they failed on hte communicatioin side. 1gig a day 12 months ago was forced then after the outrage of customers it was let slip and left there in silence but with the increase speeds the cap should have been researched and customers perhaps asked a few questions to see what applications they would be using. These speeds are good for bandwidth hungy applications that are legal but are no limited. This quote from a news post on ISPr will show how others are handling the capping situation and communicating with their consumers to find the best way. They seem not willing to lose the customers over caps that are just too restrictive.



Taken from http://www.ispreview.co.uk/cgi-bin/n...lAEplkRtMxwkJt

Maybe we could discuss this later............. Like when (and if) NTL introduce a hard cap for 2&3mb (yes I know the 1mb starts later this year).

Or maybe even when they start using the "Guideline" to warn people about over use...... But when (or if) they do...

[DieDieMyDarling]

Weren't people already warned for going over the guideline? Even on the slower speeds. I believe they recieved letters, but nothing ever went further, for whatever reason.

[carlingman]

Originally Posted by th'engineer

Has anyone still got a copy of the Goodland tapes on their PC

It is cap related

Yep full copy here.

I have not got any web space to upload it too so if your email can handle 33mb give me a shout and i can mail it.

[purenuman]

Originally Posted by carlingman

Yep full copy here.

I have not got any web space to upload it too so if your email can handle 33mb give me a shout and i can mail it.

Or use http://s15.yousendit.com/

You can send files of up to 1 gig.......... if that doesn't take you over your ISPs cap

[ian@huth]

Originally Posted by Kits

Regardless of what is said about NTL not sneaking the cap in this time they failed on hte communicatioin side. 1gig a day 12 months ago was forced then after the outrage of customers it was let slip and left there in silence but with the increase speeds the cap should have been researched and customers perhaps asked a few questions to see what applications they would be using. These speeds are good for bandwidth hungy applications that are legal but are no limited. This quote from a news post on ISPr will show how others are handling the capping situation and communicating with their consumers to find the best way. They seem not willing to lose the customers over caps that are just too restrictive.



Taken from http://www.ispreview.co.uk/cgi-bin/n...lAEplkRtMxwkJt

I don't suppose Nildram will wan't to lose too many customers seeing they only have 40,000 on broadband.

[carlingman]

Originally Posted by purenuman

Or use http://s15.yousendit.com/

You can send files of up to 1 gig.......... if that doesn't take you over your ISPs cap

Cheers for the link but my ISP does not have a CAP.

CAP whats a CAP oh I know it whats I wear when its raining when I am playing golf.

[purenuman]

Originally Posted by carlingman

Cheers for the link but my ISP does not have a CAP.

Neither does mine

I'm on NTLs 2mb

[DVS]

Originally Posted by scastle

Maybe they are milking those extra pounds to help pay for some of the upgrades the network needs?

I've no doubt a small amount will go back into the network but as I state above I fully expect the lions share will go towards lining the shareholders and boses pockets.
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Originally Posted by scrotnig

ntl's network was built with private money. The people who stumped up the cash are entitled to try and get some return on that investment. Why should they then see that investment capability undermined by being forced to allow competitiors to use it to undercut their own prices?

To do this ntl would have to paid hundreds of millions of pounds, if not billions of pounds, in compensation, and that money would have to come from the taxpayer, which as a taxpayer myself I'd object to vehemntly.

Would they? Yes NTL would kick off and possibly rightly so but surely NTL have to abide by whatever OFCOM dictates and if OFCOM said open your network would NTL not have to comply? I'm not saying this could/would happen just hypothesising

See, this is just yet another example of people who don't understand even the simplest basics of the market making pronouncements about it.

Quite frankly I didn't state anywhere that I did understand the market (nor do I want to as lifes too short). I was simply repeating what I'd read on one of the tech news sites. May even have been on the register or the inquirer (and yes I'm well aware that they aren't the most reliable sources of information )
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Originally posted by scrotnig

Milking a few more pounds out of a commercial product. Yes, isn't that disgraceful in a free market economy, especially for a company that makes no profit at the moment.

This wonderful free market economy is great for consumers isn't it. You only have to look at the recent news items regarding tour operators to see that we live in "rip off Britain". Corporate entities taking consumers for a ride. Wonderful.

People criticise ntl for not marketing their products in such a way that they could actually make some money and thus invest in the network, then when they try they are criticised for that too. DAMNED IF THEY DO, DAMNED IF THEY DON'T.

If they cut the 'fat cats' bonuses at the top they'd have plenty to invest

[southwell]

I have been lately downloading quite a few demos, upgrades etc and have hit my 1gb cap for the last two days, then my internet pages stop opening properly and my downloads slow right down. Is this the cap doing this? I find it strange as i restart my PC and all is well for an hour or so until it does it again, my friend also has the same problem.

Can anyone shed any light on this? please!!

[jtwn]

Doubt it.

[th'engineer]

Originally Posted by BloodyL

Incorrect analogy my friend, the bill hasn't gone up, the usage has been limited.
And yes, I would complain if ntl turned round and said that I could have a clearer audio signal on my phone line at no extra charge but they are going to limit me to ten calls a day.

Think you may need a provider without limits, so suggest you need to look at ADSL guide for suppliers.
Your connection allready has a usage guide on it of 30 GB a monthwhich has been on for a long time please read your NTL terms and conditions .
Details can be found here www.anticap.co.uk
NTL do not want bandwidth hogs
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Originally Posted by carlingman

Yep full copy here.

I have not got any web space to upload it too so if your email can handle 33mb give me a shout and i can mail it.

yes please msn account

[obvious]

Originally Posted by southwell

I have been lately downloading quite a few demos, upgrades etc and have hit my 1gb cap for the last two days, then my internet pages stop opening properly and my downloads slow right down. Is this the cap doing this? I find it strange as i restart my PC and all is well for an hour or so until it does it again, my friend also has the same problem.

Can anyone shed any light on this? please!!

This should explain everything.

[neo123]

lmao that was a good one obvious...you have made my day, there is so many people i can give that link heh

[southwell]

Originally Posted by obvious

This should explain everything.

I was asking a serious question.
It has only happened since upgrading to 3mb.

[Graham M]

Im having the same problem, but its been happening since before my upgrade to 2MBit.

[obvious]

No offence intended. Was just having a giggle.

[DieDieMyDarling]

Well i've been going over 1GB a day, since i got the upgrade to 3mb, and i've not lost speed once. It might just be work getting carried out in your area, to cope with the new speeds.