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Old 25-03-2020, 08:28   #1261
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Wow, that is worrying. There will be lots of people with the virus who have no idea they have it.
Which is the reason for the 14 day self-isolation for people who have been in contact with a known sufferer, as opposed to the 7 days if you have symptoms and are on your own.
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Everyone who shows coronavirus symptoms - a fever of above 37.8C, a persistent cough or breathing problem - and everyone who lives in the same house or flat as someone with symptoms.
  • If you live alone, you must stay at home for seven days from the day symptoms start
  • If you, or someone you live with, develop symptoms, the entire household needs to isolate for 14 days to monitor for signs of Covid-19
  • If someone else does become ill during that period, their seven-day isolation starts that day. For example, it might run from day three to day 10 - when that person's isolation would then end. It would not restart if another member of the household fell ill
  • But anyone who fell ill on day 13 would see their seven-day isolation begin then - for their illness rather than to monitor for symptoms - meaning they would spend a total of 20 days at home
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Things are about to get really bad there and the U.S in general. They've been so poor at reacting to this.
The only consolation is that whilst New York has the steepest curve of all areas globally (with deaths doubling every day) other areas in the US like Washington and California are currently showing flatter growth.
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Old 25-03-2020, 10:16   #1263
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Old 25-03-2020, 10:21   #1264
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There is no question it works, the only question is what will/would the cost be.
Rather less than wrecking the economy, presumably. No-one seems to care that the response to this and the government handouts that are being made as a result will put us in a worse economic position than the financial crash in 2008.

Which is the lesser of these two evils? No-one calls for such measures to deal with seasonal flu, which also claims many lives each year. The number of deaths globally from coronavirus is nowhere near the world totals for 'normal flu'. I suppose the main issue here is that the deaths from Covid 19 are concentrated into a much smaller timescale, putting health resources under enormous pressure for a few weeks.

Still, the cost of isolating people is eye-watering. Expect a lot of questions to be asked about over-reaction when all this is over and we have to suck up the financial consequences.

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Wow, that is worrying. There will be lots of people with the virus who have no idea they have it.


Most people, actually. It is a minority who show symptoms that require hospital treatment and most won't even be aware they've had it.
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Old 25-03-2020, 10:34   #1265
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Rather less than wrecking the economy, presumably. No-one seems to care that the response to this and the government handouts that are being made as a result will put us in a worse economic position than the financial crash in 2008.

Which is the lesser of these two evils? No-one calls for such measures to deal with seasonal flu, which also claims many lives each year. The number of deaths globally from coronavirus is nowhere near the world totals for 'normal flu'. I suppose the main issue here is that the deaths from Covid 19 are concentrated into a much smaller timescale, putting health resources under enormous pressure for a few weeks.

Still, the cost of isolating people is eye-watering. Expect a lot of questions to be asked about over-reaction when all this is over and we have to suck up the financial consequences.

Most people, actually. It is a minority who show symptoms that require hospital treatment and most won't even be aware they've had it.
Nonsense Old Boy. Haven’t you seen the videos of people dying in hospital corridors in Italy? The army taking away bodies. This is far from the common flu. The first thing being that nobody would have noticed if it was.

The ignorance of some that this is no more than seasonal flu is what is prolonging the pain and “wrecking” the economy. The stock exchanges were tanking while Europe was treating this as business as usual.

You are forgetting that the capitalist economies are essentially pozni schemes build upon trillions of debt. Countries, businesses, consumers. All drowning in it.

Dealing with virus response swiftly, protecting people’s jobs and businesses would allow everyone to come out the other side with confidence. Months and months of misery would not.
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Old 25-03-2020, 10:42   #1266
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Re: Coronavirus

Prince Charles has Covid-19.
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Old 25-03-2020, 10:44   #1267
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Re: Coronavirus

Research shows that those with no/small symptoms will "shed" less virus that those showing more symptoms. This lower shedding (providing not being surrounded by it) may cause a lower virus load on the person catching the virus and this (other research) show may lead to the body being better able to counter the virus.
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Old 25-03-2020, 10:49   #1268
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well me and Mrs Pierre are taking precautions.

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Nonsense Old Boy. Haven’t you seen the videos of people dying in hospital corridors in Italy? The army taking away bodies. This is far from the common flu. The first thing being that nobody would have noticed if it was.

The ignorance of some that this is no more than seasonal flu is what is prolonging the pain and “wrecking” the economy. The stock exchanges were tanking while Europe was treating this as business as usual.

You are forgetting that the capitalist economies are essentially pozni schemes build upon trillions of debt. Countries, businesses, consumers. All drowning in it.

Dealing with virus response swiftly, protecting people’s jobs and businesses would allow everyone to come out the other side with confidence. Months and months of misery would not.
Thanks for bringing some economic literacy to the debate. Also worth knowing that external events like this crisis tends to have a lower long-term impact on economies than internal financial ones like the Global Financial Crisis.
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Rather less than wrecking the economy, presumably. No-one seems to care that the response to this and the government handouts that are being made as a result will put us in a worse economic position than the financial crash in 2008.

Which is the lesser of these two evils? No-one calls for such measures to deal with seasonal flu, which also claims many lives each year. The number of deaths globally from coronavirus is nowhere near the world totals for 'normal flu'. I suppose the main issue here is that the deaths from Covid 19 are concentrated into a much smaller timescale, putting health resources under enormous pressure for a few weeks.

Still, the cost of isolating people is eye-watering. Expect a lot of questions to be asked about over-reaction when all this is over and we have to suck up the financial consequences.

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Most people, actually. It is a minority who show symptoms that require hospital treatment and most won't even be aware they've had it.
No, the main issue is that it is a novel coronavirus, and we don't know the medium to long-term effects of it, as opposed to flu, which we have researched for decades...
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Prince Charles has Covid-19.
Wonder how he got tested if he's not seriously ill in hospital? (no need to answer).
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Wonder how he got tested if he's not seriously ill in hospital? (no need to answer).
This is the statement that has been released

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...081e5eda236592

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The tests were carried out by the NHS in Aberdeenshire where they met the criteria required for testing.

It is not possible to ascertain from whom the Prince caught the virus owing to the high number of engagements he carried out in his public role during recent weeks.
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This is the statement that has been released

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...081e5eda236592
The criteria being an actor/politician/royalty. Meanwhile front line NHS staff aren't being tested. That test could have been better used elsewhere even he has been massively stuck down with 'mild symptoms'.
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The criteria being an actor/politician/royalty. Meanwhile front line NHS staff aren't being tested. That test could have been better used elsewhere even he has been massively stuck down with 'mild symptoms'.
In Scotland that's not true now so fair play to NHS Scotland and the Scottish government for changing that:
https://www.gov.scot/news/covid-19-t...-back-to-work/

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Prioritised testing for coronavirus (COVID-19) will allow key health and social care workers to return to work, Health Secretary Jeane Freeman has announced.

The Scottish Government has published guidance for NHS Scotland to prioritise testing to enable health and social care staff to get back to work, based on the pressures local boards are facing.

As testing capacity increases, this will be extended to other key workers.
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