Coronavirus (OLD)

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Chris

Our B&B is still operating. We only have self-enclosed units, and due to other pressures we’re only actually using one of them this year - a shepherd’s hut that sits outside our house. It’s a small space, easily wiped down between guests, and I’m only in the space with them for 30 seconds while delivering room service each morning. I don’t even need to do that - with a little thought I could deliver breakfast to the storage locker outside the hut. It will be a little less magical than the big wicker hamper we normally deposit on their bed, but needs must.

Nobody living here is in an at-risk group so I’m not concerned. We will either get it or we won’t. And even though I will welcome a few hundred strangers here during the season (assuming they don’t all start cancelling), that’s still fewer than some of you will see at the station or in your workplaces every day.

The air is very clean in the highlands!

Living remotely does give you an advantage right now.

[denphone]

More than 10,000 armed forces staff put on standby over COVID-19 spread.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...andby-11958144

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UK coronavirus cases rise to 1,543 - up by 171.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...y-171-11958319

The latest figure for deaths stands at 35 - though an update is expected this afternoon.

[Taf]

Originally Posted by denphone

More than 10,000 armed forces staff put on standby over COVID-19 spread

SOP would have kicked-in ages ago, with groups isolated and equipped. Groups would be made up of those who had not been infected, those who are infected, and those who have been infected and recovered.

[RichardCoulter]

Growing signs that the over 70's are indignant about being told to self isolate when the time comes.

Reasons include becoming lonely, bored or needing to go out for food as they have nobody else, expressions that this is draconian or an assault to their civil liberties or that they survived the war as soldiers and intend to fight this or ride it out. Some say that they don't care if they get it, with a whatever will be will be attitude.

This mornings Jeremy Vine show featured a doctor who said that they must take this seriously as nobody under the age of 102* has ever seen anything like it as this is no ordinary virus.

* In 1918/19 up to 50 million people died.

What will we do if they refuse to co-operate? Let them die? Use the police/army to escort them back home and keep them there?

What about the over 70's who have something like dementia who tend to go wondering off?

One solution might be to use any spare hotels that aren't being used as makeshift hospitals to alleviate loneliness and have no worries sbout food supplies and effectively put them under house arrest.

The problem with that is that if one of them has the virus, all the rest will probably get it.

[downquark1]

What will we do if they refuse to co-operate? Let them die? Use the police/army to escort them back home and keep them there?

I imagine the exact answer will change based on the current strain on the NHS.

Most will probably be able to survive the virus, if they are seriously ill they will probably be taken to the hospital and treated. Once the NHS is above capacity, however, triage rules come into affect which will mean they will prioritise people most likely to survive.

If shit hits the fan I imagine Boris will send in the army.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Carers are selflessly putting themselves at risk by caring for those who might have the virus. Those who find themselves in a position where they have to self isolate obviously can't attend work.

This will be why volunteers and retired people are to be asked to care for people. However, these good people probably won't have the experience & qualifications that you and your colleagues have, so it will be interesting. They could unintentionally cause damage by not knowing how to use a hoist properly etc.

So would you prefer carers, volunteers and retired people to withdraw their services because they don't know how to use a hoist properly?

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by pip08456

So would you prefer carers, volunteers and retired people to withdraw their services because they don't know how to use a hoist properly?

No, because an untrained carer is better than not having one at all.

Hopefully they will have enough experienced carers that can deal with matters that require training and the volunteers can deal with things that don't. However, they might not have that luxury...

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

This mornings Jeremy Vine show featured a doctor who said that they must take this seriously as nobody under the age of 102* has ever seen anything like it as this is no ordinary virus.

* In 1918/19 up to 50 million people died.

I don't think anyone is suggesting this is comparable to Spanish Flu?

in regards to mortality. Yes a lot of people are going to get ill, some of them seriously and then some of them critically but the overwhelming majority will get over it.

World Health Organisation throws down gauntlet to countries that are not doing enough to test potential cases and says countries must "Test, test, test."

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Mick

They no longer test people unless they’re showing signs of symptoms of Covid-19 and more crucially, have been admitted to hospitals.

The basic advice is that as soon as symptoms show, I’m to go in to self isolation. If symptoms show and I deteriorate further, then that is when I assume I will get admitted, they don’t want people turning up in A & E Departments unless symptoms are a threat to life.

Coming back to this after watching the latest WHO briefing.


I wonder why when the WHO are saying' Test everybody that shows symptoms' are we not following this path.

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Coming back to this after watching the latest WHO briefing.


I wonder why when the WHO are saying' Test everybody that shows symptoms' are we not following this path.

Not enough test kits, not enough trained people to interpret the results, remember this is a new virus and lastly, in the UK's case, if there is over 10,000 people now infected, the NHS will collapse if everyone suddenly swamps A & E Departments with these symptoms.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Mick

Not enough test kits, not enough trained people to interpret the results, remember this is a new virus and lastly, in the UK's case, if there is over 10,000 people now infected, the NHS will collapse if everyone suddenly swamps A & E Departments with these symptoms.

Would you agree that the world (and as much as i like to bash Boris it's not just him) has slept walked into this situation? Whilst COVID-19 is relatively new to the western hemisphere. It's been a known issue since late November in China & Hong Kong. (I was temperature scanned in HKG airport at the end of January. whilst on a business trip.)


I can't help but feel there's been a degree of 'It will never happen here' taken by those in charge globally.

[denphone]

They are now saying that pregnant women are in the higher risk group now as well.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Pierre

I don't think anyone is suggesting this is comparable to Spanish Flu?

in regards to mortality. Yes a lot of people are going to get ill, some of them seriously and then some of them critically but the overwhelming majority will get over it.

A war veteran called in to the Jeremy Vine show to say that he survived the war, had had grenades thrown at him etc and that if he got it, he got it. She (in a nice way) told him that he must take this seriously and added that this is the worst pandemic ever for anyone under the age of 102, so I took this to mean that the Spanish flu epedemic was worse, but that this is right behind it in terms of seriousness.

It's been said that about 1/6 of elderly/disabled/ill people will die from this, so whilst what you say is correct, that's a hell of a lot of people and i'm not going to risk it. I'm not afraid of dying, but care about how I leave this Earth when the time comes for me to progress to the spirit world.

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Originally Posted by denphone

They are now saying that pregnant women are in the higher risk group now as well.

Oh no, they were previously said to be relatively safe. The situation seems to be changing by the hour!

[heero_yuy]

Just been up to my local Sainsbury's and the place is stripped of all fresh meat, all kinds of potatoes, all tinned meat, beans etc. Bread, eggs, pasta, noodles and a lot of frozen stuff. Such greed and panic. Never seen anything like it.

I got most of what I needed except an Iceberg lettuce even though a couple of items I got the last but one. Plenty of broccoli though.