The state benefits system mega-thread.

Originally Posted by Will21st

Have they come for you yet? You sound like someone who suffers from Paranoid Delusions.

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No,you weren't,but we both know that,don't we?

you only think you do

[Osem]

I think that for some people it's easier to turn this issue into a them and us, rich v. poor, right v. left argument than accepting the reality that the welfare state cannot carry on supporting people who could and should be working harder to support themselves.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Will21st

Have they come for you yet? You sound like someone who suffers from Paranoid Delusions.

Do I?
I feel ok.

[Will21st]

Originally Posted by Osem

I think that for some people it's easier to turn this issue into a them and us, rich v. poor, right v. left argument than accepting the reality that the welfare state cannot carry on supporting people who could and should be working harder to support themselves.

A sentiment that doesn't compute with large swathes of the working- and underclass,or so it seems. They'd rather whinge and moan all day than put their energy to work and better their lives.

Shame really,they're wasting precious time.

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Originally Posted by Gary L

Do I?
I feel ok.

well,that's how they want you to feel.

Originally Posted by Gary L

Your one.
the one about some money going to better places and everyone living happily ever after

In my dream I had. they were putting it all to one side and then Dave, Ian, and George did a runner with it to another country.

One thing the Tories have always been good at imo is building society and improving it .A little bit of history goes a long way Gary

[Will21st]

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

you only think you do

Ok.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Will21st

A sentiment that doesn't compute with large swathes of the working- and underclass,or so it seems. They'd rather whinge and moan all day than put their energy to work and better their lives.

Shame really,they're wasting precious time.

I reckon if we were to do a nationwide survey. most of Britain is probably quite depressed at the moment. and should be on DLA or something if they never took it away.

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Originally Posted by martyh

One thing the Tories have always been good at imo is building society and improving it .A little bit of history goes a long way Gary

I know. they sold and privatised everything, and took my milk off me.

[peanut]

Originally Posted by Osem

I think that for some people it's easier to turn this issue into a them and us, rich v. poor, right v. left argument than accepting the reality that the welfare state cannot carry on supporting people who could and should be working harder to support themselves.

From what I see on this forum the people that have something to say here are not the 'unemployed workshy' but mainly the sick and disabled.

And the sick and disabled can not work harder to support ourselves, and I don't see anyone here actually defending the the workshy either.

I must be reading a different forum to you, I don't see the 'rich vs the poor' thing and the 'them as us thing' it's the usual against the usual but just a different subject.

[Gary L]

I'm not unemployed, sick or disabled.

Technically. I should be on the tax payers side

Originally Posted by Gary L

I know. they sold and privatised everything, and took my milk off me.

actually Gary it was Harold Wilson who started the milk snatching in 1968 ,maggie just completed his policy (remember that history thing i mentioned)

also ,a bit more relevant ,it was labour who insisted disabled people in receipt of benefits get re assessed in order to cut welfare spending ,the coalition are just completing their policy .

[Will21st]

Originally Posted by Gary L

I reckon if we were to do a nationwide survey. most of Britain is probably quite depressed at the moment. and should be on DLA or something if they never took it away.

I very much doubt most of Britain is depressed,and even if it was how do you know it's related to being unemployed?

Originally Posted by Gary L

I know. they sold and privatised everything, and took my milk off me.

You do realise that it was Labour who took the school milk away from 11 to 18 year olds in 1968,don't you?

[Osem]

Originally Posted by peanut

From what I see on this forum the people that have something to say here are not the 'unemployed workshy' but mainly the sick and disabled.
And the sick and disabled can not work harder to support ourselves, and I don't see anyone here actually defending the the workshy either.

I must be reading a different forum to you, I don't see the 'rich vs the poor' thing and the 'them as us thing' it's the usual against the usual but just a different subject.

And what makes you think my sentiments relate only to this forum? You're not reading a different forum but you are 'reading' words I haven't written.

The extent to which the sick or disabled can work or work harder will vary according to how severe their illness or disability is. Some are able to do a lot more than others and many want to as the Remploy workers will testify.

[Taf]

As Carers of our own handicapped twins (now young adults), My wife and I are very, very grateful for the Benefits we receive to allow us to continue our roles.

We aren't rolling in money, but make do and pay our bills. A short period of respite would be a nice gesture, but it has never happened in over 21 years, so we're not holding our breath.

I have often received verbal bashings from both working and unemployed people, thinking that being a full time Carer is somehow a "skive" or a "cushy life". Sadly, or poignantly, several have had to become Carers for members of their own family, and now see us in a totally different light.

I suppose it would be the same with workers who slag off unemployed people, then become one themselves.

Despite the REAL inflation rates, I reckon many in our position would have accepted a 0% rise in benefits if it meant getting this country out of the mess it's in financially.

But looking at IDS's future plans for the "less" disabled, I fear we may be in for a rough ride ahead when the axe falls soon with PIP coming in to replace DLA. The ATOS assessments were hell enough, but I think IDS has further nasty surprises for us at the bottom of the pile.

Originally Posted by peanut

From what I see on this forum the people that have something to say here are not the 'unemployed workshy' but mainly the sick and disabled.

And the sick and disabled can not work harder to support ourselves, and I don't see anyone here actually defending the the workshy either.

I must be reading a different forum to you, I don't see the 'rich vs the poor' thing and the 'them as us thing' it's the usual against the usual but just a different subject.

very good point as it goes

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Will21st

Funny that,I went to a private school in Germany with some of my fellow pupils coming from extremely wealthy and/or very influential families.... and I still had to work hard to get to where I am today.
Fact is you have to work hard no matter what your background to be successful...
Background and privilege may give you a head-start but if you're rubbish at what you do than that won't help you.I see this in the Film Industry all the time.



THAT is another point altogether....

Come on will the old boy net work is as alive and kicking today as it ever has been, I love the way these ministers get sacked for incompetence or impropriety one day and all but the next are the best person to save a different failing department.