Liberal Democrat conference/manifesto

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Having watched and listened to Swinson on the TV i have to wonder if she is insan or just deluded.
my instinct says

The Scots certainly have their own take on politics!

Originally Posted by nomadking

What makes a particular policy, Socialist as opposed to being Marxist. How are we expected to correctly label them otherwise?

The OP can give his definition, and then why he then labels Labour policies as such - his statement, not mine.

Or..

He could just state which Labour policies he thinks are Marxist.

[jfman]

OB essentially opposes any intervention, in any area, by the state even in areas that commercially are unable to sustain competition.

All these are areas for companies to cream off profits, lower employment rights and ultimately increase costs for end users (taxpayers).

[denphone]

Originally Posted by jfman

OB essentially opposes any intervention, in any area, by the state even in areas that commercially are unable to sustain competition.

All these are areas for companies to cream off profits, lower employment rights and ultimately increase costs for end users (taxpayers).

The TOC's franchising system is a case in point as how many times did the Conservative government have to intervene there with contracts that became unsustainable so the government had to take over those franchises short term.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by denphone

The TOC's franchising system is a case in point as how many times did the Conservative government have to intervene there with contracts that became unsustainable so the government had to take over those franchises short term.

If you think those are bad Den wait til you hear about the banks

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

OB essentially opposes any intervention, in any area, by the state even in areas that commercially are unable to sustain competition.

All these are areas for companies to cream off profits, lower employment rights and ultimately increase costs for end users (taxpayers).

Clearly, you don't understand my position at all. You are completely wrong when you say I oppose any intervention. Where on Earth did you get that from?

If you really want to know what is going on in the Labour Party and why I have raised the Marxist threat, you may wish to read this chilling article.

https://standpointmag.co.uk/issues/f...-to-socialism/

[denphone]

Originally Posted by jfman

If you think those are bad Den wait til you hear about the banks

Labour had to do the same though with Northern Rock.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Clearly, you don't understand my position at all. You are completely wrong when you say I oppose any intervention. Where on Earth did you get that from?

If you really want to know what is going on in the Labour Party and why I have raised the Marxist threat, you may wish to read this chilling article.

https://standpointmag.co.uk/issues/f...-to-socialism/

Which Labour policies are Marxist, please?

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Clearly, you don't understand my position at all. You are completely wrong when you say I oppose any intervention. Where on Earth did you get that from?

If you really want to know what is going on in the Labour Party and why I have raised the Marxist threat, you may wish to read this chilling article.

https://standpointmag.co.uk/issues/f...-to-socialism/

It's not very chilling to be honest. There's radical left wing people in the Labour Party. No real surprise to be honest, but until such times as they stand on, and more importantly get elected on such a platform there's nothing but scaremongering there.

Half the present PLP wouldn't back that agenda, let alone any opposition parties.

Read the actual Labour manifesto and show us Marxism.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by jfman

It's not very chilling to be honest. There's radical left wing people in the Labour Party. No real surprise to be honest, but until such times as they stand on, and more importantly get elected on such a platform there's nothing but scaremongering there.

Half the present PLP wouldn't back that agenda, let alone any opposition parties.

Read the actual Labour manifesto and show us Marxism.

Not if you're a Marxist it isn't.

[OLD BOY]

Apparently, the home affairs spokesman for the Lib Dems, Christine Jardine, will call for a shake-up of the power of the Home Secretary to revoke citizenship as happened in the Begum case. She wants the best interest of the terrorists' children to be taken into account.

Jardine stated: “The decision to strip someone of their citizenship is a very serious one and should only be taken when absolutely necessary. Instead, we have seen Conservative home secretaries abuse this power for political gain with tragic results.

“These are people brought up, often born here, with families and loved ones who deserve a government that will take responsibility when they are radicalised and go abroad to join terrorists. They should be prosecuted in the UK for their crimes and interrogated to learn exactly how this happens and prevent terrorists from recruiting more young Brits".

That should go down well with the British public!

[jfman]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Not if you're a Marxist it isn't.

Or if you know that radical left pieces have been around for decades and virtually none of it makes it into watered down manifestos of political parties running left wing platforms in a democracy.

Interesting from a political science perspective I suppose.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Which Labour policies are Marxist, please?

Well, read the article and make your own assessment.

You surely cannot deny that Corbyn and McDonnell are Marxists. They have admitted it and they are proud of it. Their policies are designed with that in mind.

To listen to McDonnell talking about just printing money as they need to in order to fund their huge spending spree they have planned, renationalise industry, give power to the workers so they can dictate to their bosses - the intention is perfectly clear, is it not?

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Originally Posted by jfman

Or if you know that radical left pieces have been around for decades and virtually none of it makes it into watered down manifestos of political parties running left wing platforms in a democracy.

Interesting from a political science perspective I suppose.

Nobody like Corbyn has been leader of the Labour Party since Michael Foot!

[jfman]

Policies "designed with Marxism in mind" and Marxist policies aren't the same thing. Anything on the left of the political spectrum could have that applied to it.

I'm quite sure if we compare a Foot manifesto with the most recent Labour one there will be plenty of differences.

What we are seeing here is an attempt to redefine centre-left alongside communism, as has been done in the United States, so some can push extreme unrestricted and unregulated capitalism as the alternative.

[Carth]

I don't bother worrying about this 'marxist, left of center, far right' or whatever thing is read into policies/actions etc.

I do wonder though, how stupid people can often surpass themselves in that skill.

Anyway, enough about me, what are their thoughts on fox hunting, sex education for 8 yr olds, public transport, free beer for pensioners*, and nuclear power stations?

*asking for a friend