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Old 20-02-2021, 21:29   #136
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Re: 1gig Rollout getting faster

Yeah, full fibre is their term for FTTP. Idjits for clamouring to be able to call Fibre to the Cabinet and HFC "Fibre Broadband", now they have to use other terms to explain Fibre to people, and nobody knows the difference without doing some digging or seeing the headline speeds.

Once you see Openreach up poles or down ducts, it's usually 1-3 months before it gets enabled. The Openreach site will email you months after it's actually available for order, so just keep checking BT.com as that seems to be the first place that gets updated.
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Old 20-02-2021, 22:16   #137
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Yeah, full fibre is their term for FTTP. Idjits for clamouring to be able to call Fibre to the Cabinet and HFC "Fibre Broadband", now they have to use other terms to explain Fibre to people, and nobody knows the difference without doing some digging or seeing the headline speeds.

Once you see Openreach up poles or down ducts, it's usually 1-3 months before it gets enabled. The Openreach site will email you months after it's actually available for order, so just keep checking BT.com as that seems to be the first place that gets updated.
Thanks. As you say, calling 80Mbps "fibre" was a joke.

They are now calling their own "fibre" HALF FIBRE essentially, idiots.

We get served via overhead cables around here, do they replace the cabling going from pole to house as people sign up or do they just put up new poles in advance?

Thanks.
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Old 21-02-2021, 00:36   #138
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We get served via overhead cables around here, do they replace the cabling going from pole to house as people sign up or do they just put up new poles in advance?
Up to 80Meg too. FTTC around here is good for 17 at best.

So around my way, each street has poles fed from a main pole at the bottom (it's lots of cul-de-sacs off a longer cul-de-sac), which in turn is fed from a duct on the longer road. When OR turned up, their contractor began by inspecting each duct. They did some minor roadworks to fix issues with collapsed ducts, and then pulled cables to each main duct and tied blue pull-rope to the base of each main pole.

Then a few weeks later (presumably once an entire areas digging and main cable pulling had been complete) Openreach turned up and began fitting football sized fibre distribution boxes to the main poles, pulled the fibre to it and then from there pulled some fibre to each pole that fed from that main pole. Wooden poles get a box up high where the fibre to your house is connected from, metal poles have that box internally fitted.

The obvious giveaways are:
  • Lots of white vans and blokes in holes
  • 'Leavings' around the duct access panels
  • roadworks.org or some similar site will have lots of BT related minor works listed all over your area
  • Poles will have yellow "fibre overhead" warning stickers when they are wired up.
  • Distribution poles will have a box on them that looks like an upside down black milk carton.

When you get FTTP, they'll run a brand new drop-cable from the pole to your house that uses a heavier gauge wire and remove the old line. It is only done when you sign up, as it's quite an involved process - especially now with social distancing making stuff more awkward for everyone involved. But the entire install can be done with one visit for the modern OR rollouts.
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Old 21-02-2021, 03:17   #139
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Up to 80Meg too. FTTC around here is good for 17 at best.

So around my way, each street has poles fed from a main pole at the bottom (it's lots of cul-de-sacs off a longer cul-de-sac), which in turn is fed from a duct on the longer road. When OR turned up, their contractor began by inspecting each duct. They did some minor roadworks to fix issues with collapsed ducts, and then pulled cables to each main duct and tied blue pull-rope to the base of each main pole.

Then a few weeks later (presumably once an entire areas digging and main cable pulling had been complete) Openreach turned up and began fitting football sized fibre distribution boxes to the main poles, pulled the fibre to it and then from there pulled some fibre to each pole that fed from that main pole. Wooden poles get a box up high where the fibre to your house is connected from, metal poles have that box internally fitted.

The obvious giveaways are:
  • Lots of white vans and blokes in holes
  • 'Leavings' around the duct access panels
  • roadworks.org or some similar site will have lots of BT related minor works listed all over your area
  • Poles will have yellow "fibre overhead" warning stickers when they are wired up.
  • Distribution poles will have a box on them that looks like an upside down black milk carton.

When you get FTTP, they'll run a brand new drop-cable from the pole to your house that uses a heavier gauge wire and remove the old line. It is only done when you sign up, as it's quite an involved process - especially now with social distancing making stuff more awkward for everyone involved. But the entire install can be done with one visit for the modern OR rollouts.
Some great info, thank you.
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Old 22-02-2021, 00:06   #140
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Thanks. As you say, calling 80Mbps "fibre" was a joke.
I mean, this comes back on Virgin really, as back in the days of ADSL they decided to call DOCSIS "fibre" and the ASA let them get away with it as it was "predominantly fibre", then when BT deployed FTTC they were like "I guess we can call this fibre now eh?" and the ASA couldn't really say no.
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Old 22-02-2021, 10:56   #141
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I mean, this comes back on Virgin really, as back in the days of ADSL they decided to call DOCSIS "fibre" and the ASA let them get away with it as it was "predominantly fibre"
On the other hand, the ASA banned VM from calling 128kbps "broadband" even though it blatantly was.

I remember using 19.2kbps fibre links back in the 80s.
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Old 22-02-2021, 11:01   #142
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On the other hand, the ASA banned VM from calling 128kbps "broadband" even though it blatantly was.

I remember using 19.2kbps fibre links back in the 80s.
If 128k was "broadband" then so was BT Home Highway, ISDN2, 128k in each direction.
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Old 22-02-2021, 13:58   #143
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If 128k was "broadband" then so was BT Home Highway, ISDN2, 128k in each direction.
I had that from NTL. 128k ISDN box at home for dial up internet and point to point access for sending graphics files to repro houses. Cost a fortune.
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If 128k was "broadband" then so was BT Home Highway, ISDN2, 128k in each direction.
It wasn't purely for that reason. When BB was in its infancy and NTL wanted to offer a new budget tier below what was their standard 512k they tried 128k. At the time it was a massive step up from 56k because back then literally everyone was on dialup unless you were on NTL 512k. The regulators said 128k wasn't classed as broadband and needed to be faster so NTL made it 150k
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It wasn't purely for that reason. When BB was in its infancy and NTL wanted to offer a new budget tier below what was their standard 512k they tried 128k. At the time it was a massive step up from 56k because back then literally everyone was on dialup unless you were on NTL 512k. The regulators said 128k wasn't classed as broadband and needed to be faster so NTL made it 150k
I don't know about literally everyone being on dialup, I was on Home Highway!!

Call charges were horrible as you could use 1 line at 64k on various unlimited services but getting both lines working for 128k pretty much required paying per minute.
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Oh wow, BT ISDN, I had fogotten all about that.

I had that installed by my work in the period sometime before I finally got Diamond cable.
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I don't know about literally everyone being on dialup, I was on Home Highway!!

Call charges were horrible as you could use 1 line at 64k on various unlimited services but getting both lines working for 128k pretty much required paying per minute.
They couldn’t get Home Highway to work for me so I had to pay for full ISDN - that wasn’t cheap. I then moved and where I moved from got 512k broadband, where I moved to didn’t so I still had to pay through the nose for much slower speeds.
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Ahh yes ISDN - It Still Does Nothing.
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Back in the day when it was ok to speculatively register domain names I used to own BTISDN.com. Not one of my better 'investments' as BT never did come knocking
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Back in the day when it was ok to speculatively register domain names I used to own BTISDN.com. Not one of my better 'investments' as BT never did come knocking
The speed they work at I’d expect the knock sometime next week....
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