Will Scotland Leave the UK?
06-09-2014, 12:30
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
If the UK only wants Scotland for it's resources then why are Wales and Northern Ireland still kicking around? Also why didn't we get rid of Scotland when it wasn't a net gain?
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06-09-2014, 12:44
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
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Originally Posted by Damien
If the UK only wants Scotland for it's resources then why are Wales and Northern Ireland still kicking around?
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Easy one that.
In 2012 when England had droughts and hosepipe bans it was suggested Wales' water (always in good supply due to the valleys and mountains) be shipped over the border to help out.
Our Water companies agreed....but said you'll need to pay for it.
At this point many English people suddenly had an instant change of heart and started declaring "NO! We are the UNITED Kingdom after all, therefore it's our water too".
Selectively united of course.
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06-09-2014, 13:20
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
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Originally Posted by Russ
Easy one that.
In 2012 when England had droughts and hosepipe bans it was suggested Wales' water (always in good supply due to the valleys and mountains) be shipped over the border to help out.
Our Water companies agreed....but said you'll need to pay for it.
At this point many English people suddenly had an instant change of heart and started declaring "NO! We are the UNITED Kingdom after all, therefore it's our water too".
Selectively united of course.
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Well it is our water too. Just like the country is yours as well. Wales is a net beneficiary from the Union after all.
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06-09-2014, 13:27
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
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Well it is our water too. Just like the country is yours as well. Wales is a net beneficiary from the Union after all.
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Spoken like a true Englishman
We get a lot of "We don't want/need you" except when we have something that England needs...
Not from all or even most English people but the double standards is always entertaining to watch.
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06-09-2014, 14:08
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
Anyone would think that the Union was only formed 50 years ago. It was formed long BEFORE any oil or potential need for water. What did Scotland and Wales truly offer at that time?
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06-09-2014, 14:43
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
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Originally Posted by nomadking
Anyone would think that the Union was only formed 50 years ago. It was formed long BEFORE any oil or potential need for water. What did Scotland and Wales truly offer at that time?
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I think the potential need for water pre-dates the Union
You would have to ask the many pre-Union invaders why they were bothering to invade this land that had nothing to offer.
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06-09-2014, 14:54
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I think the potential need for water pre-dates the Union
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An inconvenient truth
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06-09-2014, 14:57
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
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Originally Posted by Derek
It comes from the EU position, where they assume iScotland will get in and keep all the UK benefits no questions asked despite almost all experts saying this isn't the case.
The CU issue where Salmond says if the Scottish people want it we will get it whilst completely ignoring the 55 million or so rUK people who clearly don't want a foreign country leeching on their central bank.
The debt issue where walking away from your obligations for not getting the deal you want is seen as acceptable and won't have any repercussions.
The free money and unicorns for all where pensions are guaranteed to rise, benefits are guaranteed to rise, wages are guaranteed to rise, free child are for everyone and all their other promises that are uncosted and don't stand up to the slightest scrutiny.
They are resorting to sound bite politics and some areas are buying into it hook, line and sinker.
A 'fairer society'? What does that mean and how are you going to achieve it? Answer that instead of trotting out the words at every opportunity and I'll think about it.
If only you were alive 300 years ago when it was being debated
I'm assuming from that you are fiercely anti-EU and don't want to cede any powers to a capital several hundred miles away, with unelected heads and people who don't speak a common language and history.
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Weren't Scotland bankrupt 300 years ago, a taste of things to come perhaps
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06-09-2014, 15:12
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
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Weren't Scotland bankrupt 300 years ago, a taste of things to come perhaps
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No, we were only near bankrupt If the vote is yes and the SNP achieved a majority in the first independent Scottish Government then bankruptcy is possible. Highly unlikely though.
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06-09-2014, 17:12
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
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Originally Posted by Russ
Easy one that.
In 2012 when England had droughts and hosepipe bans it was suggested Wales' water (always in good supply due to the valleys and mountains) be shipped over the border to help out.
Our Water companies agreed....but said you'll need to pay for it.
At this point many English people suddenly had an instant change of heart and started declaring "NO! We are the UNITED Kingdom after all, therefore it's our water too".
Selectively united of course.
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Wales doesn't own any water. The water is owned by whoever owns the reservoir, or the pond, or the rights to extract from the river or borehole in question.
Wales doesn't even have a national water company. DC/WW supplies most of Wales and bits of England. Severn Trent supplies bits of Wales, as well as its patch in England.
Whether water is transferred from one company's reservoir to another is a commercial matter. Severn Trent, in 2012, sold some water to Anglian because it was practical for them to do so. They lifted it from boreholes and pumped it into the River Tame. Anglian abstracted it downstream. There was never any realistic chance of DC/WW selling water to any of the companies in Southeast England because without a man-made or natural water course to push it down, the only means of transport is tankers, which is disastrous because of the number you need to transport a useful amount of water.
But don't let the facts get in the way of a good rant.
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06-09-2014, 17:19
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
Mudoch was tweeted that tonight's YouGov will be shocking. Rumors Yes are ahead.
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06-09-2014, 17:27
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
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Mudoch was tweeted that tonight's YouGov will be shocking. Rumors Yes are ahead.
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Great news
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06-09-2014, 17:45
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
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But don't let the facts get in the way of a good rant.
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So there wasn't a debate in 2012 about whether or not the companies servicing the water storage in Wales should make a charge for the transport of it over the boarder?
Them's some vivid dreams I've been having
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06-09-2014, 17:58
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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?
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So there wasn't a debate in 2012 about whether or not the companies servicing the water storage in Wales should make a charge for the transport of it over the boarder?
Them's some vivid dreams I've been having
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Don't let them dreams get in the way of a good fact
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