Brexit (Old)

[richard s]

So a third of are food imports come from Europe... all sides will loose out then, e.g. European suppliers will get no cash for their goods... O dear... As for Tesco making 9000 people redundant about half could be reasigned, loyalty means crap all.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Gavin78

In the event of a food shortage and riots start I'll just bypass the food shops and put some retail shop windows through instead and rob a couple of TV's and designer clothes. Maybe smash some cars up.

Because lets face it, it won't be about Brexit it will be the nationwide criminals, teenagers and dole **** that will come out robbing anything but food.

What's your definition of 'dole ****'?

One of the amendments is for the creation of a 250 strong citizens assembly to put forward the views of the public regarding this mess. Would anyone here be interested in joining it if it comes to fruition?

There have been calls for the Queen to intervene, but I doubt she would want to be overtly political in public.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

From the link above


‘It has been claimed that the UK could simply move to WTO terms if there is no deal with the EU. But Anneli Howard, a specialist in EU and competition law at Monckton Chambers and a member of the bar’s Brexit working group, believes this isn’t true.

“No deal means leaving with nothing,” ’

What is she talking about then? Trading on WTO terms is the default baseline, is she proposing that we will have less than that? If so she’s no specialist.

This debate really brings out the thickos.

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

What's your definition of 'dole ****'?

One of the amendments is for the creation of a 250 strong citizens assembly to put forward the views of the public regarding this mess. Would anyone here be interested in joining it if it comes to fruition?

There have been calls for the Queen to intervene, but I doubt she would want to be overtly political in public.

No because a 250 assembly would be about as representative as kick in the balls. One of the worst ideas ever.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by BenMcr

They aren't threats. The risks mentioned are if we leave with no-deal so cannot have any the trade arrangements required to keep supplies coming in with minimum disruption.
This isn't the EU's doing. This is we leave without a deal with them. No different than if stopped a having a existing trade deal with anyone else in world - it would disrupt the existing trade between us and that country.

What happens after that is then purely down to us.

The 2011 riots started over a very local reason and spread to areas not directly connected to it. The disruption a no-deal exit could cause will be UK wide.

There is no deal on offer. All that is on "offer" is to continue with freedom of movement, having to obey EU rules (even any new ones), and obey the ECJ. It's just a delaying tactic in order not to do any real deal, and expect us to give in to whatever they say. Which we have done repeatedly.



Until the Remain side stop trying to block the democratic vote by backhanded means, the EU won't take us seriously.


The flip side of the alleged shortage of goods from the EU, is the lack of money earned by those EU suppliers. Eg EU fruit and veg suppliers will go bankrupt.

[Carth]

I'm sitting here patiently waiting for the next 'revelation' from big business that will be revealed in an in depth 17 hour 'sky special'


oh and

"In March, the situation becomes more acute as UK produce is out of season," the letter says.

At that time of year, 90% of lettuces, 80% of tomatoes and 70% of soft fruit sold in the UK is grown in the EU, the letter says.

"As this produce is fresh and perishable, it needs to be moved quickly from farms to our stores," the retailers say.

does this mean that growing season in many EU countries with a climate similar (or worse) than ours can still grow this stuff?

. . . over wool eyes big pulling business . . re-arrange

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Pierre

What is she talking about then? Trading on WTO terms is the default baseline, is she proposing that we will have less than that? If so she’s no specialist.

This debate really brings out the thickos.

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No because a 250 assembly would be about as representative as kick in the balls. One of the worst ideas ever.

The same could be said about our MP's! I think it could be useful, but there would have to be safeguards to ensure that each group of views was represented fairly.

Originally Posted by Pierre

What is she talking about then? Trading on WTO terms is the default baseline, is she proposing that we will have less than that? If so she’s no specialist.

This debate really brings out the thickos.

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No because a 250 assembly would be about as representative as kick in the balls. One of the worst ideas ever.

You must have missed this bit in the article...

There are two apparently insurmountable hurdles to the UK trading on current WTO tariffs in the event of Britain crashing out in March, said Howard.

Firstly, the UK must produce its own schedule covering both services and each of the 5,000-plus product lines covered in the WTO agreement and get it agreed by all the 163 WTO states in the 32 remaining parliamentary sitting days until 29 March 2019. A number of states have already raised objections to the UK’s draft schedule: 20 over goods and three over services.

To make it more complicated, there are no “default terms” Britain can crash out on, Howard said, while at the same time, the UK has been blocked by WTO members from simply relying on the EU’s “schedule” – its existing tariffs and tariff-free trade quotas.

The second hurdle is the sheer volume of domestic legislation that would need to be passed before being able to trade under WTO rules: there are nine statutes and 600 statutory instruments that would need to be adopted.

The government cannot simply cut and paste the 120,000 EU statutes into UK law and then make changes to them gradually, Howard said. “The UK will need to set up new enforcement bodies and transfer new powers to regulators to create our own domestic regimes,” she said.

I think she might know a bit more than you on Trade and Competition Law

Anneli is a senior junior with extensive experience in EU and UK competition law. In 2018 she was recognized as the Legal 500 “Junior Barrister of the Year” for EU/Competition, having been nominated as “Junior of the Year” in the 2014 Chambers Bar Awards. She is Standing Counsel to the Civil Aviation Authority on competition, regulatory and EU matters.

She advises both commercial clients and regulators on a wide range of domestic and EU antitrust, competition and regulatory issues, including cartels, leniency, complaints,commitments and settlement procedures,abuse of dominant position, exclusivity, online restrictions,distribution agreements and state aid. Anneli also acts for private parties in injunction and competition damages claims under Articles 101 and 102 in the CAT, Chancery Division and Commercial Court.

She has a sound grasp of economic concepts across the breadth of competition law, from market definition to market power assessments, theory of harm, counterfactual analysis and objective. She has in depth familiarity with UK and EU competition law practice and procedure as shown by her contributions to the leading text book Bellamy & Child European Community Law of Competition (Co-Author of Chapter 16 “Litigating Infringements in National Courts”), Competition Litigation in the UK (Sweet & Maxwell) and Judicial Control in the EU (OUP 2004). She is Co-editor of UK Competition Procedure: the Modernised Regime (OUP 2007) and has contributed various articles on the forthcoming Damages Directive.

Anneli has appeared on behalf of private clients and regulators before the Competition Appeal Tribunal, Commercial Court, Chancery Division and Court of Appeal as well as the European Commission in Brussels and the General Court and Court of Justice in Luxembourg. She has defended large corporations such as Visa, Orange and BT as well as acted for commercial operators seeking stand-alone or follow-on damages and/or injunctive relief.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

What's your definition of 'dole ****'?

One of the amendments is for the creation of a 250 strong citizens assembly to put forward the views of the public regarding this mess. Would anyone here be interested in joining it if it comes to fruition?

There have been calls for the Queen to intervene, but I doubt she would want to be overtly political in public.

So someone loses their job and such is the demonization of people on the dole in this country that some have to resort to bigoted prejudiced name calling.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mick

The Remainers wonderful EU, (heavens knows why they think they are wonderful).

I thought you voted to Remain, therefore you're a Remainer. There's been no subsequent vote so surely everyone's vote still stands?

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

From the link above


‘It has been claimed that the UK could simply move to WTO terms if there is no deal with the EU. But Anneli Howard, a specialist in EU and competition law at Monckton Chambers and a member of the bar’s Brexit working group, believes this isn’t true.

“No deal means leaving with nothing,” ’

the brexiteers forget we part of WTO because of our EU membership at this very moment

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Hugh

You must have missed this bit in the article...

I think she might know a bit more than you on Trade and Competition Law

I didn’t miss anything, I just didn’t read any of the article and i’m Not going to.

So then we the fifth or sixth biggest economy in the world will be cut adrift unable to trade with anyone.................

Yeah alright.......

Total bull bollocks, anyone that falls for this crap is sub-normal.

Do you want to know what will happen March 29th? Nothing.

I will wake up March 30th and go to work, i may pop in the shop and buy some food - there will be plenty. People will fly to the continent, people will fly from the continent to here.

Ships will arrive and depart as will ferries and trains, carrying lorries.

The internet and global communications will continue to work. Banks ands businesses will continue to communicate and do business.

No everyone just pee off and stop all the crap

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Originally Posted by Dave42

the brexiteers forget we part of WTO because of our EU membership at this very moment

No we’re not, we’re part of the “world” trade organisation because we’re part of the “world”

We’re a sovereign nation, we ceded our seat on the WTO when the EU became a political entity. When we leave the EU we will regain our seat.

Ffs, sick of the ignorant BS on here.

Originally Posted by Pierre

So then we the fifth or sixth biggest economy in the world will be cut adrift unable to trade with anyone.................

We will be able to trade with people but the fifth or sixth economy in the world would suddenly find itself without any of the agreements the other larger, and smaller, economies have to remove tariffs, standardise regulations, ease customs check and regulatory barriers and so on. This is what no deal is advocating.

We will probably sort out some basic ones quite quickly but we would still be adding a lot of barriers to a lot of our current trade overnight.

I don't know what will actually happen. I don't actually think we would go though with a complete no deal Brexit because that seems mad to me. I also think a lot of people assume that because things rarely go wrong in the UK that people think it can't. It seems logical to me that industries which have sold freely into Europe and factories which operate with parts moving back and forth across borders as if it were the same nation suddenly having a bunch of restrictions, extra charges and paper work will have an impact.

I hope you are right.

[jfman]

We can’t even stage a traffic jam and people expect this to go smoothly with no negative consequences...

It’s guaranteed there will be shortages now because of the inevitable panic buying. Think of people going shopping on Christmas Eve: shops run out of everyday things even though everyone knows shops are open in a few days. Nobody know when shops can guarantee getting anything in (that isn’t to say they won’t, but a panic buyer is very unlikely to be rational).

Shops will be under more pressure to restock at the exact same time supply slows and tariffs get slapped on. It’s essentially a self-fulfilling prophecy.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

We can’t even stage a traffic jam and people expect this to go smoothly with no negative consequences...

It’s guaranteed there will be shortages now because of the inevitable panic buying. Think of people going shopping on Christmas Eve: shops run out of everyday things even though everyone knows shops are open in a few days. Nobody know when shops can guarantee getting anything in (that isn’t to say they won’t, but a panic buyer is very unlikely to be rational).

Shops will be under more pressure to restock at the exact same time supply slows and tariffs get slapped on. It’s essentially a self-fulfilling prophecy.

It’s not Christmas

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

It’s not Christmas

Despite the promises of a Brexit dividend I’m sure we can all agree it’s not Christmas.

The principle of panic buying applies if people believe they have limited time or opportunity to buy the same items in the near future. It becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.

If i head out to do my weekly shop and buy an extra item here or there, an extra loaf and milk “just in case”. If a few dozen people do the same each day at the same store it won’t take very long until it’s all over social media that X supermarket in Y town is out of loaves and milk. Then every other “rational person” heads out to buy the same items elsewhere and it’s a domino effect. 24 hour news channels will probably be as irresponsible as ever and interview anyone who says the right thing for the camera. “PANIC! PANIC! PANIC!”. Of course anyone who says everything is fine will be suitably boring to be edited out.