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Old 12-02-2024, 08:27   #2716
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do please keep it up. You’re exposing yourself superbly well.
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Old 12-02-2024, 09:14   #2717
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Do please keep it up. Youíre exposing yourself superbly well.
Iíd say equally the rest of you are doing the same. The fact you are blind to your collective hypocrisy is actually quite alarming.

Iíve been berating the hypocrisy of American foreign policy for years. If thatís a revelation to anyone on the basis of yesterdayís posts then hello, Iím jfman pleased to meet you.
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Old 12-02-2024, 09:45   #2718
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I’d say equally the rest of you are doing the same. The fact you are blind to your collective hypocrisy is actually quite alarming.

I’ve been berating the hypocrisy of American foreign policy for years. If that’s a revelation to anyone on the basis of yesterday’s posts then hello, I’m jfman pleased to meet you.
Actually I’m really not bothered what you think about American foreign policy. What I find distasteful is that you’re prepared to play down Russian war crimes and the suffering of Ukrainians - especially non-combatant women and children - just to help you make a rhetorical point about American foreign policy.
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Old 12-02-2024, 09:59   #2719
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Actually Iím really not bothered what you think about American foreign policy. What I find distasteful is that youíre prepared to play down Russian war crimes and the suffering of Ukrainians - especially non-combatant women and children - just to help you make a rhetorical point about American foreign policy.
What I find distasteful is America (and itís allies) playing up the suffering of Ukranians when it is quite happy to expedite human suffering around the world that aligns with itís own economic or geopolitical interests. Itís quite happy to manufacture lies and propaganda that people - with the best will in the world like yourself - fall for hook, line and sinker. Iraqi weapons of mass destruction. 40 beheaded babies, etc.

If it canít hold those views consistently, and apply it universally, then itís just an emotive punchline in a propaganda device.

Iím also firmly of the view that America will let Ukraine down just as it let down the people of Afghanistan.

Similarly objectionable is your efforts to slur a legitimate political movement - Scottish independence - as some kind of Russian funded disruption effort yet your blind spot that the same principles would apply to the UK leaving the EU. Conservative MPs, Labour MPs and Farage have all taken money from RT. Although we are at this point moving some distance from the subject of the thread so Iíll leave it there.

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Old 12-02-2024, 12:27   #2720
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Although we are at this point moving some distance from the subject of the thread so I’ll leave it there.
Indeed we are. And as we return to the substance of the thread I repeat my observation that you have made light of the kidnap of Ukrainian children, which is a war crime. Putin and a member of his administration are wanted in The Hague over it. Perhaps you could acknowledge that suggesting it’s not all that bad for the children involved was at least ill considered?
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Old 12-02-2024, 13:04   #2721
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Of course, the CIA always put out a statement when they topple a democratically elected government. I should have known that.

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America has no moral authority considering what it is arming in Gaza. Something far closer to a genocide than any of the allegations thrown in Russia’a direction.

At least they are getting kids out of the combat zone rather than slaughtering them with sniper fire I guess.
Yes and no…

https://www.unicef.org/eca/documents...aines-children

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At least 535 children have been killed – the equivalent of a child dying every day since the war escalated, mostly from bombardment. At least 1,095 children have been injured.
More up to date info (till the end of January)

https://reliefweb.int/report/ukraine...dren%20injured.

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Between 24 February 2022 and 31 January 2024, HRMMU verified 10,378 civilians killed and 19,632 injured across Ukraine. These figures include 579 children killed and 1,284 children injured.
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Old 12-02-2024, 13:08   #2722
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In any case, I’m not sure anyone deserves credit for kidnapping children from a combat zone that is only a combat zone because they made it into one by crossing an internationally recognised frontier.

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Old 16-02-2024, 01:37   #2723
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Indeed we are. And as we return to the substance of the thread I repeat my observation that you have made light of the kidnap of Ukrainian children, which is a war crime. Putin and a member of his administration are wanted in The Hague over it. Perhaps you could acknowledge that suggesting it’s not all that bad for the children involved was at least ill considered?
I have absolutely not made 'light' of the 'kidnap' of Ukrainian children. Nor did I suggest it was not 'all bad' for them. I was merely drawing comparison between that and another ongoing conflict where I hear very little about the plight of children.

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A child dying every day in Palestine since October 7th would be something like 130. Against their peers in carrying out alleged genocide one can only note the data.
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Similarly objectionable is your efforts to slur a legitimate political movement - Scottish independence - as some kind of Russian funded disruption effort yet your blind spot that the same principles would apply to the UK leaving the EU. Conservative MPs, Labour MPs and Farage have all taken money from RT. Although we are at this point moving some distance from the subject of the thread so Iíll leave it there.
Ah - at last - something for me to be able to bite on.

I, and many others, are 100% convinced that actors like Russia (and possibly Iran & Saudi Arabia) are working very hard to destabilise the UK. I've just made a generalised statement - no idea whether there is Russian money behind any part of the SNP, now; but there might have been when Oil/Gas production were the economic basis for independence.

But I'm certain that these 'poor migrants who have paid £££ thousands to get to the UK have been funded by other actors.

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I have absolutely not made 'light' of the 'kidnap' of Ukrainian children. Nor did I suggest it was not 'all bad' for them. I was merely drawing comparison between that and another ongoing conflict where I hear very little about the plight of children.

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A child dying every day in Palestine since October 7th would be something like 130. Against their peers in carrying out alleged genocide one can only note the data.
One can only note that it seems to someone that it’s who’s doing the child-killing makes criticism applicable…

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Posts removed, this is not another "lets attack brexit" topic.
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