Coronavirus

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Pierre

It interesting that suddenly we should all now be “risk takers” , after being told to hide under the stairs.

It's only death, apparently it's part of living so no need to worry

[Sephiroth]

Imo, this is what's bothering people.

To a significant extent, people feel in control when they go shopping with the required protection and sensible careful behaviour.

Now that death has been revealed as a consequence of the vaccination for some people, the positive act of accepting the vaccination takes control away from them, other than refusing the jab.

Simple psychology in the absence of definitive advice from trusted sources.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

It interesting that suddenly we should all now be “risk takers” , after being told to hide under the stairs.

Nobody told anyone to hide under the stairs.

As with all things that involve risk it’s measured. The risks from the vaccine are extremely low - as the Government control supply and are monitoring outcomes the chances of the NHS being overwhelmed by simultaneous negative reactions to the vaccine are extremely low. The same cannot be said for the ludicrous and discredited “let it rip” strategy.

The potential benefits to the vaccine are obvious - a return to normal. Increased economic output, greater NHS resource returning to day to day business.

Again, the same cannot be said for the above mentioned discredited strategy. The Coronavirus Health Service would have no resource for traditional healthcare provision.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Now that death has been revealed as a consequence of the vaccination for some people, the positive act of accepting the vaccination takes control away from them, other than refusing the jab.

What do you mean it's 'been revealed'? As a matter of caution and routine vaccines have these warnings but as far as I know there there isn't anything to suggest this vaccine is more likely to cause anyone to die than others.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Damien

What do you mean it's 'been revealed'? As a matter of caution and routine vaccines have these warnings but as far as I know there there isn't anything to suggest this vaccine is more likely to cause anyone to die than others.

There isn’t, and although it’s early days, I doubt there will be.

Seph has made a reasonable point about human psychology and the need for a perception of control. I doubt as many people have ever considered these matters for other vaccines therefore have no baseline from which to measure it in their own minds.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Damien

What do you mean it's 'been revealed'? As a matter of caution and routine vaccines have these warnings but as far as I know there there isn't anything to suggest this vaccine is more likely to cause anyone to die than others.

You think they are all equally unsafe then?

Originally Posted by papa smurf

You think they are all equally unsafe then?

No they're very safe because despite these warnings being on every vaccine people don't die from them despite vaccines being routinely administered to millions each year in the U.K.

As you well know.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

You think they are all equally unsafe then?

No ones forcing anyone to take a vaccine. Your choice.

Seems to me the antivaxers are probably best left to face Covid alone, its for the best in the end.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Mr K

No ones forcing anyone to take a vaccine. Your choice.

Seems to me the antivaxers are probably best left to face Covid alone, its for the best in the end.

So any one who is worried about the safety of this product is an antivaxer ?

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

So any one who is worried about the safety of this product is an antivaxer ?

Save your worry for climate change, that's a much bigger threat to you and Cleethorpes.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by jfman

There isn’t, and although it’s early days, I doubt there will be.

Seph has made a reasonable point about human psychology and the need for a perception of control. I doubt as many people have ever considered these matters for other vaccines therefore have no baseline from which to measure it in their own minds.

Exactamundo.

[Angua]

Originally Posted by joglynne

My husband and I were both contacted when our local hub had Pfizer vaccines, which if not used that day, would have to be binned. We are both considered to be at risk and were offered these first jabs if we could get to the center by the end of the session... at least a month earlier than we had expected.

John who is in his late 70's got his the week befor Christmas and I had mine 10 days ago. I understand why they may not be considered as viable for 2nd jabs but binning usable vaccinations when they can be used by someone needing a initial vaccination seems to be a no-brainer.

You will still need the 2nd dose, to strengthen and prolong protection. All that is currently happening is the government encouraging more people to get at least one dose of something.

[heero_yuy]

There's also a suspicion that whereas other vaccines have been thoroughly evaluated for side effects over many years before being rolled out, that with these, the blind panic of governments has lead to cutting of corners.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

There's also a suspicion that whereas other vaccines have been thoroughly evaluated for side effects over many years before being rolled out, that with these, the blind panic of governments has lead to cutting of corners.

One has to weigh up the risks but personally for me its a risk worth taking as some possible side effects are a far better scenario then getting full on Covid especially given l have several serious medical comorbidities.

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

There's also a suspicion that whereas other vaccines have been thoroughly evaluated for side effects over many years before being rolled out, that with these, the blind panic of governments has lead to cutting of corners.

Is that like "I heard" or "someone told me" or "did you know"?