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Old 05-05-2020, 22:06   #31
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Re: British Airways to make 12000 redundant

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How many times....?

The government's policy is to slow the deaths down so the NHS will not be overwhelmed.
To be fair to the Mod Edit - pointless sniping removed - next occurrence will get fracked.and Hugh, Old Boy,

Government policy has been to reduce the infection rate “R” so the NHS will not be overwhelmed, not deaths.

So you are wrong with that statement.
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Old 05-05-2020, 22:30   #32
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Re: British Airways to make 12000 redundant

Still trying to get my head around the magnitude of what's going on. Do any hear expect the airline industry to recover or do we generally think that it's the end of an era?
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Re: British Airways to make 12000 redundant

The airline industry (in my view) is going to be just one of the holiday industries impacted for at least the next 12 months.
Look at it this way. No-one wants to go on holiday with social distancing, spoils the fun.
Social distance in an aircraft???
Light at the end of the tunnel Carnival Cruises resume August 1st.

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To be fair to the Mod Edit - pointles sniping removed - next occurrence will get fracked.and Hugh, Old Boy,

Government policy has been to reduce the infection rate “R” so the NHS will not be overwhelmed, not deaths.

So you are wrong with that statement.
It's one and the same thing.

Every infection that could result in death that you keep within supply of healthcare provision, push the other side of a vaccine, or the mythical herd immunity, then you have reduced the overall number of deaths.

Anyway as I'm enjoying a small sabbatical from the Coronavirus thread I'll leave it here for now fully expecting to be selectively quoted and insulted as per the norm.
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...one of the big problems is even when the traffic picks up is social distancing rules which means you can only fly so many passengers in a plane and as the Ryanair boss said that is simply not economical.
Distancing on an plane is rather pointless anyway, given that the air is just re-circulated.
You could get infected by someone at the back of the plane when you are sat at the front.
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Re: British Airways to make 12000 redundant

Everyone knows to avoid getting sick you don’t eat the fish.
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Distancing on an plane is rather pointless anyway, given that the air is just re-circulated.
You could get infected by someone at the back of the plane when you are sat at the front.
They'll just have to fly with the windows open
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Distancing on an plane is rather pointless anyway, given that the air is just re-circulated.
You could get infected by someone at the back of the plane when you are sat at the front.
In theory, as long as nobody is coughing or sneezing or exchanging saliva, that shouldn't be an issue.
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Re: British Airways to make 12000 redundant

Or how about we test people in the days before travel and conduct temperature checks before they get on/after they land and quarantine as appropriate?

You know, the stuff that's evidenced in science.

I'm sure someone will be along to say 'ah, but you can still miss one'.

Yes, however in the absence of a silver bullet/magic cure/'herd immunity" everything is about pushing risk down to as close to zero as possible. A point completely lost on some here.

If you think it's too hard or why bother then we might as well watch the world burn trundling along from lockdown to lockdown and see if that's cost effective.
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In theory, as long as nobody is coughing or sneezing or exchanging saliva, that shouldn't be an issue.
Air filtration on flights is as good than hospitals so the above holds true. However, there's also the fact that the virus can live on various surfaces for differing amounts of hours, planes would have to be thoroughly disinfected during 'turnaround time'
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Re: British Airways to make 12000 redundant

Well the argument for a third runway at Heathrow has vanished in a cloud of viral particles.
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Re: British Airways to make 12000 redundant

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Well the argument for a third runway at Heathrow has vanished in a cloud of viral particles.
The demand will still be there in the near future. The 3rd runway wasn't going to open overnight.
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In theory, as long as nobody is coughing or sneezing or exchanging saliva, that shouldn't be an issue.
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/art...how-it-spreads
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How does it spread?
Most respiratory viruses are most contagious when a person has symptoms. However, there is growing evidence to suggest that the virus might also spread during the incubation period, before a person develops any symptoms.

The incubation period is the time that elapses between the virus entering the body and symptoms developing. Experts consider this to be between 2 and 14 days for SARS-CoV-2.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) suggest that the virus spreads:

between people who are within 6 feet (2 meters) of each other

through respiratory droplets produced when a person with the infection coughs, sneezes, or talks

when these droplets land in the mouth or nose of a person who is nearby

It may also be possible for a person to contract SARS-CoV-2 by touching a surface that has contaminated droplets on it, then touching their mouth, nose, or eyes.

The WHO say that coronaviruses can remain active on certain surfaces for a few hours or several days. This varies with different conditions, such as the type of surface, the temperature, and the humidity.
So, as long as no one talks or touches any surfaces, it should be fine...
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The demand will still be there in the near future. The 3rd runway wasn't going to open overnight.
The demand for a 3rd runway is already chronic at Heathrow and as a matter of strategic development it needs to be built anyway.

Virgin Atlantic's decision to quit Gatwick may only serve to make the problem more acute in the medium term, if they attempt to consolidate operations at LHR in order to save money it will put even more pressure on the facilities there.
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You keep posting that, but never provide evidence to back up your assertion.

You also just posted in another thread

I provided the previous Imperial Colleage paper which showed the numbers of deaths could be reduced by tens of thousands (not delayed, reduced), but you have not shown any scientific evidence to uphold your claim. Here is a later IC paper (30th March)



Averted, not delayed.
Just watch what happens when restrictions are lifted.
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