Will Scotland Leave the UK?

[Sephiroth]

From where is the Scottish Government getting the money to fund the fiscal deficit?

A fiscal deficit is a shortfall in a government's income compared with its spending. The government that has a fiscal deficit is spending beyond its means. A fiscal deficit is calculated as a percentage of gross domestic product (GDP), or simply as total dollars spent in excess of income.

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/f...%20of%20income.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

From where is the Scottish Government getting the money to fund the fiscal deficit?

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/f...%20of%20income.

The same place it's always done, ie England.
To be fair events of the past year or so, are unusual and most countries are in the same situation. The true measure is the long-running deficit from before then.

Actually the present figures are just as true and useful, and sobering. Yes, they represent the cost of the Covid-19 crisis, but they place in stark relief Scotland’s structural weakness compared to England. It cost relatively more to deal with the crisis here, while Scotland’s contribution to the cost was relatively less.

Of course none of that matters while Scotland is part of a successful pooling and sharing union which manages all the assets and liabilities arising on this island as a single unified territory. It only becomes a problem if nationalists succeed in tearing that union up. It’s about time we heard from them how they would plan to square that circle, without blaming Westminster or making evasive assertions about making different choices. Especially with regards to Covid-19 it’s very hard to see what different choices the Nats could have made to deal with it more cheaply.

I was interested to read this.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...ng-magna-carta

Does Magna Carta apply in Scotland?

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Maggy

I was interested to read this.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...ng-magna-carta

Does Magna Carta apply in Scotland?

I suspect not, particularly as 1215 was well before the various Acts of Union. Also:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-19761919

Only three of the 63 clauses in the Magna Carta are still in law. One defends the freedom and rights of the English Church, another relates to the privileges enjoyed by the City of London and the third - the most famous - is generally held to have established the right to trial by jury.

Below are the full translations of the relevant clauses from the 1215 copy of the Magna Carta held at the British Library.

[mrmistoffelees]

Not only does the Magna Carta not apply in Scotland, the particular clause that they were quoting was removed umm about eight hundred years ago. And, even when it was applicable the rights did not apply to all men.....


https://www.theregister.com/2021/08/...nburgh_castle/

silly people.....

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Not only does the Magna Carta not apply in Scotland, the particular clause that they were quoting was removed umm about eight hundred years ago. And, even when it was applicable the rights did not apply to all men.....


https://www.theregister.com/2021/08/...nburgh_castle/

silly people.....

Reminiscent of the Covid protests outside those luxury flats in White City.

[1andrew1]

Possibility of a referendum in 2023 rises.

SNP-Greens deal pledges indyref2 within five years

The SNP and Scottish Greens have published details of their new power sharing arrangement.

The deal will take the Greens into government for the first time anywhere in the UK.

It includes a commitment to hold a referendum on Scottish independence within the next five years, and preferably by the end of 2023.

First Minister Nicola Sturgeon gave details at a briefing alongside the two Scottish Greens co-leaders.

Opposition parties have described the arrangement as a "nationalist coalition of chaos" that will be a "disaster" for Scotland.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...itics-58272209

[Carth]

Would be great if a referendum happens

We could really do with another 'us & them' thread to argue about when Brexit fades away

If they attempt it, it will be without transfer of powers and almost certainly subject to challenge in court. If they do go ahead, the unionist strategy will be to boycott. Without buy-in from the UK parliament, which is the only sovereign authority in constitutional matters, a yes vote is irrelevant - especially a 100% yes vote on a 30-40% turnout. There isn’t going to be a mutually recognised referendum and Scotland isn’t going to leave the UK. The UK government will respect the outcome of the once-in-a-generation referendum which the SNP called and lost in 2014, even if Nicola and her pet hippies won’t.

[OLD BOY]

I’m not a Scot, but I don’t believe that the majority of them would vote for separation.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I’m not a Scot, but I don’t believe that the majority of them would vote for separation.

Polling is currently slightly in favour of remaining in the UK but with a fair few undecided.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinio...h_independence

[OLD BOY]

Elections are largely won and lost according to the state of the economy, and trust in which party is best placed to manage it.

I have always said that opposition parties need to hammer home the financial realities of separation. If they do that forcefully enough, the Scots will not vote for independence.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Elections are largely won and lost according to the state of the economy, and trust in which party is best placed to manage it.

I have always said that opposition parties need to hammer home the financial realities of separation. If they do that forcefully enough, the Scots will not vote for independence.

That's what Remain tried in 2016.

Sometimes, sovereignty beats the wallet.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

That's what Remain tried in 2016.

Sometimes, sovereignty beats the wallet.

It wasn’t just sovereignty, Andrew. It was also the prospect of more trade with the rest of the world (not to mention freedom to control our own borders and everything else).

As a remainer, Andrew, you can only see what we lose from leaving the EU, without taking account of what we will gain. And as that gain cannot be seen at this stage of the transition, you assume there will not be one.

In time, you will see your mistake.