Britain outside the EU

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Pierre

I’ve just been on a business trip in which I visited the Netherlands, Germany and Spain. Entry and exit points being Germany and the Netherlands in which I had to go through passport control.

In both Instances I did not have to join a “not EU” line. I was directed through the EU passport line both times. The only difference being to EU passport holders I got a stamp. Extra time incurred …nil.

Just thought I’d throw that out there.

The real test will come next May when the Entry Exit System is launched but an increase of up to two minutes does not seem too bad. We shall see.

European nations have warned that new fingerprint and face checks on arriving in the EU could take “up to four times longer” than the present system – with the processing time increased by up to two minutes per person.

The tougher border checks, known as the “Entry Exit System” (EES), are due to come into effect in May 2023 – just ahead of the peak summer season.

The UK helped develop the EES while part of the European Union – then, with the Brexit withdrawal treaty, asked to become subject to the new system.

From next summer, each time a third-country national crosses an EU external border, fingerprints and a facial biometric must be checked.

Because the UK chose to leave the European Union, the number of travellers “caught” by the Entry-Exit System will be much higher than originally envisaged.

Warnings from individual governments appear in a paper published by the General Secretariat of the Council in Brussels.

Views were sought from across the EU about the readiness of the system, and The Independent has analysed their responses.

The Slovenian government modelled the effect of the EES and reported: “It takes up to four times longer to do the new process – border check + enrolment + verification.”

Austria’s authorities said: “We expect process times to double compared to the current situation.”

Poland’s government estimates: “The time for border control of a single passenger will increase by 30-120 seconds, but only in the case of the so-called ‘happy flow’.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/travel...-b2234413.html

Originally Posted by Pierre

I’ve just been on a business trip in which I visited the Netherlands, Germany and Spain. Entry and exit points being Germany and the Netherlands in which I had to go through passport control.

In both Instances I did not have to join a “not EU” line. I was directed through the EU passport line both times. The only difference being to EU passport holders I got a stamp. Extra time incurred …nil.

Just thought I’d throw that out there.

I would say that's rare. I've been directed via the Non-EU lines both for trips inside and outside the EU. Only one I didn't was Ireland and also the Calais Ferry Terminal which is even longer because they check right to remain for non-British Europeans resident in the UK.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Damien

I would say that's rare. I've been directed via the Non-EU lines both for trips inside and outside the EU. Only one I didn't was Ireland and also the Calais Ferry Terminal which is even longer because they check right to remain for non-British Europeans resident in the UK.

When the Entry Exit System is implemented next May, the days of any UK passport holders being allowed into the EEA lanes must surely end.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

When the Entry Exit System is implemented next May, the days of any UK passport holders being allowed into the EEA lanes must surely end.

I don't see why, the process you refer to is already in operation in some airports it would appear.

As I left Schipol, i.e. exiting the EU, I was directed into the same line as the EU, and used the facial biometric machine to scan me and my passport. I then walked forwards where a border guard stamped my passport, the EU passport holders just walked past him.

The use of the machines should actually speed things up, as long as there are enough of them and people know how to use them correctly.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Pierre

I don't see why, the process you refer to is already in operation in some airports it would appear.

As I left Schipol, i.e. exiting the EU, I was directed into the same line as the EU, and used the facial biometric machine to scan me and my passport. I then walked forwards where a border guard stamped my passport, the EU passport holders just walked past him.

The use of the machines should actually speed things up, as long as there are enough of them and people know how to use them correctly.

We shall see. I would have thought it more effective to have one queue who needed passports stamping, fingerprints checking and biometrics and another one that didn't.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

We shall see. I would have thought it more effective to have one queue who needed passports stamping, fingerprints checking and biometrics and another one that didn't.

EU passport holders will also need biometrics checking, hence the reason we all used the same machines, you don't get your fingerprints checked.

The only difference is the getting the stamp, but I wouldn't bet on that continuing down the line.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Pierre

EU passport holders will also need biometrics checking, hence the reason we all used the same machines, you don't get your fingerprints checked.

The only difference is the getting the stamp, but I wouldn't bet on that continuing down the line.

That understanding seems to be at odds with what the paper is saying:

From next summer, each time a third-country national crosses an EU external border, fingerprints and a facial biometric must be checked.

[Sephiroth]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-ne...mply-eu-rules/

Netherlands to close up to 3,000 farms to comply with EU rules

The Dutch government plans to buy and close down up to 3,000 farms near environmentally sensitive areas to comply with EU nature preservation rules.

The Netherlands is attempting to cut down its nitrogen pollution and will push ahead with compulsory purchases if not enough farms take up the offer voluntarily.

We're well out of the EU - although I hope the UK doesn't go mad as well.

[TheDaddy]

Apparently were about to enter a food supply crisis according to the NFU, it's going well...

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Apparently were about to enter a food supply crisis according to the NFU, it's going well...

Where is the Brexit dimension to this?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Where is the Brexit dimension to this?

Maybe linked to the article below? Or is The Daddy saying it's the wrong time for any country to cut food production?

Brexit added £210 to the average household food bill in the two years to the end of 2021, new research suggests.

Academics at the London School of Economics (LSE) found that the cost of food imported from Europe went up because of extra red tape and checks.

They said that rule changes for items going across the border had pushed food prices up by 6%, or £5.84bn overall.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-63821133

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Maybe linked to the article below? Or is The Daddy saying it's the wrong time for any country to cut food production?


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-63821133

Nah - The Daddy is doing an Ian about the disappointing post-Brexit Britain.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Where is the Brexit dimension to this?

The red tape, the lack of workers, the bs about the cap subsidy being replaced by a like for like equivalent etc etc etc let me guess though it's the war in Ukraine forcing grain prices up, it's the avian flu that means eggs are being rationed and when farming has been sacrificed like patrick minford said it would have to be I'm sure there will be another dimension other than brexit that you can blame, lazy farmers, perhaps you can go with that

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Nah - The Daddy is doing an Ian about the disappointing post-Brexit Britain.

Also known as defining reality

[Kursk]

The president of the European Parliament has warned that "European democracy is under attack", following allegations that Qatar bribed EU officials to win influence.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63941509

Surely not?