Russia has invaded Ukraine

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by jfman

There’s nothing Vatnik about the observation that Ukrainian conscripts are dying in massive numbers for a cause that is unachievable.

18 month old polling may say something else, as may polling that is honest about the limited support that the West will continue to commit in the future years of the conflict.

If you are committed to fighting Putin then go and enlist yourself. Otherwise you are just another armchair general playing toy soldiers while masturbating over western propaganda like the Ghost of Kyiv.

We are paying with a few billion here, and a few billion there. They are out there paying with their lives and I, for one, would feel much more comfortable if they had a choice in the matter.

More Vatnik word soup. The polling was done in Aug 2023 - that maybe 18 months ago in your alternative universe

As Damian has said, we should support the wishes of the Ukrainian people. If it clear that the majority of the population are being coerced to continue the defence of their country then, and only, then should we reassess our support.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by ianch99

More Vatnik word soup. The polling was done in Aug 2023 - that maybe 18 months ago in your alternative universe

As Damian has said, we should support the wishes of the Ukrainian people. If it clear that the majority of the population are being coerced to continue the defence of their country then, and only, then should we reassess our support.

So when are you off to sign up, keyboard warrior?

Spare me your childish insults.

If 30% (by your own poll) of Ukrainians don’t want to fight then neither you, nor Zelensky, nor their neighbours inside or outside have the right to condemn them to death or injury on the front line by conscription.

When America inevitably pull the plug when it ceases to be value for money,, regardless of what Ukrainian public opinion says, rest assured I will return to say “I told you so”.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by jfman

So when are you off to sign up, keyboard warrior?

Spare me your childish insults.

If 30% (by your own poll) of Ukrainians don’t want to fight then neither you, nor Zelensky, nor their neighbours inside or outside have the right to condemn them to death or injury on the front line by conscription.

When America inevitably pull the plug when it ceases to be value for money,, regardless of what Ukrainian public opinion says, rest assured I will return to say “I told you so”.

I have done far more for Ukraine that you have done so please spare the trolling.

Enough now ...

[jfman]

Originally Posted by ianch99

I have done far more for Ukraine that you have done so please spare the trolling.

Enough now ...

Quite the accusation of trolling from someone it took more than 3 attempts to finally quit misrepresenting my posts.

Doing anything for Ukraine won’t cleanse the soul given your bloodlust for a permanent conflict regardless of the cost in the lives of Ukrainian conscripts.

and thats enough. Enjoy your rest from this one comrade.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by ianch99

I have done far more for Ukraine that you have done .

and your best outcome is? I'm .......still...........all ears