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Old 15-04-2024, 08:32   #16
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Already, happened. US shot down some drones and the UK already deployed the RAF.
Why are we getting involved,nothing to do with us. They never helped us in Iraq or Afghanistan. USA gonna drag us in again
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Old 15-04-2024, 11:17   #17
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You may find this informative…

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blog...ke-escalation/



It’s almost as if Netanyahu was deliberately escalating tensions…
Probably an unpopular opinion but I’m getting to the point where I think Netanyahu poses the greatest risk to peace in the region.

Whilst the west won’t engage in an attack against Iran they’ll happily provide the military hardware for Israel to do it. But if Iran launches an attack against Israel as we’ve seen then they’ll step in to defend.


This gives Netanyahu the ability and impunity to act without fear as he knows that ultimately Israel will be defended there seems to be significant scope creep

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Old 15-04-2024, 11:20   #18
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Re: Iran attacks Israel

Two questions:
  • Will Ukraine feel a bit miffed that France, the US and UK have shot down missiles approaching Israel but not missiles over Ukraine? Particularly when Israel has the Iron Dome which Ukraine doesn't.
  • Will Russia help Iran by shooting down any missiles that Israel fires at it?
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Old 15-04-2024, 11:56   #19
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Probably an unpopular opinion but I’m getting to the point where I think Netanyahu poses the greatest risk to peace in the region.
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Two questions:
  • Will Ukraine feel a bit miffed that France, the US and UK have shot down missiles approaching Israel but not missiles over Ukraine? Particularly when Israel has the Iron Dome which Ukraine doesn't.
  • Will Russia help Iran by shooting down any missiles that Israel fires at it?
Ukraine will be miffed seeing the US pull out all the stops for a genuine ally. I doubt Russia have capacity to assist Iran in that way.
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Old 15-04-2024, 12:49   #20
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Probably an unpopular opinion but I’m getting to the point where I think Netanyahu poses the greatest risk to peace in the region.
More than Iran?

Iran that funds Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, Kataib Hezbollah, Asaib Ahl al Haq, Badr Organization, Zaynabiyoun Brigade, to name but a few.

ok.

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Two questions:
  • Will Ukraine feel a bit miffed that France, the US and UK have shot down missiles approaching Israel but not missiles over Ukraine? Particularly when Israel has the Iron Dome which Ukraine doesn't.
  • Will Russia help Iran by shooting down any missiles that Israel fires at it?
Ukraine has been given SAMs and Fighters.
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Old 15-04-2024, 13:00   #21
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More than Iran?

Iran that funds Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, Kataib Hezbollah, Asaib Ahl al Haq, Badr Organization, Zaynabiyoun Brigade, to name but a few.

ok.
At this point yes, Israel went of and lobbed missiles that caused the death of a senior Iranian military figure amongst others . Iran responded 99% of missiles and drones intercepted with minimal damage and one casualty

Iran states it considers the matter now closed, Israel is now probably going to launch a military action in response. To which the Iranian hard liners will demand a response .

Israel have allowed scope creep here they’re not only going after Hamas but everyone who poses a threat

Israel are not innocent in all of this and they need to be held accountable by their allies and that’s not happening. If anyone dares to criticise Israel then they’re called out for being anti semetic.

We all know that Israel can’t wipe out Hamas so this in terms of Gaza turns into punishment. Punishment of a nation of people that for the vast majority haven’t been able to vote for an alternative because a. There’s been no elections and b. Realistically they would have no choice but to vote for Hamas because of intimidation and violence.
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Old 15-04-2024, 14:33   #22
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At this point yes, Israel went of and lobbed missiles that caused the death of a senior Iranian military figure amongst others.
Israel would probably say he was a legitimate target. They said that they were going to do this months ago, so should not come as a great surprise.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ia%20Hezbollah.

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The killing of Saleh al-Arouri in Beirut is the first strike in a campaign of assassinations overseas promised by Israeli officials for several months.

The target was carefully chosen – one of the most senior Hamas leaders and the organisation’s main link to Iran and the Lebanon-based militia Hezbollah.
and besides America do it all the time, so why shouldn't Israel.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-53345885

or is it just untenable because it's Israel?

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Iran responded 99% of missiles and drones intercepted with minimal damage and one casualty
Oh, well that's alright then. I tried to kill you and desparately wanted to, but just because my gun mis-fired, hey, no harm , no foul.

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Iran states it considers the matter now closed, Israel is now probably going to launch a military action in response. To which the Iranian hard liners will demand a response .
of course it does, they've just shown the world they're not very good at this and would rather that no one retaliated.......sorry.

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Israel have allowed scope creep here they’re not only going after Hamas but everyone who poses a threat
It's not creep, like in the first article above they told everyone months ago, they are going after targets they deem legitimate for their national security.
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“America do it all the time” is an invitation for every rogue state to do as they please.
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“America do it all the time” is an invitation for every rogue state to do as they please.
Just trying to work out the difference.

USA assassinate Qassim Suleimani, Commander of Iranian Forces. All good.

Israel assassinate Iranian General Mohammad Reza Zahedi. All bad.

Explain it to me like I’m 5yrs old.
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Re: Iran attacks Israel

One wasn’t in an Embassy building, one was…

Under the UN Charter (and the Vienna Conventions), the premises of a diplomatic mission are inviolable.
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Just trying to work out the difference.

USA assassinate Qassim Suleimani, Commander of Iranian Forces. All good.

Israel assassinate Iranian General Mohammad Reza Zahedi. All bad.

Explain it to me like I’m 5yrs old.
It’s not necessarily “bad” that either took the actions they took. It certainly is a breach of the norms and customs of international diplomacy to bomb the consulate of another country.

To expect Iran to sit back and not retaliate for either is perhaps unrealistic. Nor to expect Iran, Russia, China or anyone else to abide these norms and customs going forward.

If we want to pretend to have an international rules based order Israel should at least pretend to be suitably rebuked by Iran and perhaps keep this “up their sleeve” for the next opportunistic moment to hit an Iranian target of genuine significance. Or take a pop shot at an air base.

Anything beyond that is escalation. The number of weapons fired is a red herring. Iran told everyone what they were going to do. Everyone had enough time to prepare. It’s the definition of grandstanding. I don’t doubt the bloodthirsty among the Israeli cabinet would welcome the opportunity to escalate, just as they have eviscerated Gaza, but it’s in nobody’s interests.
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It certainly is a breach of the norms and customs of international diplomacy to bomb the consulate of another country.
It is likewise a breach of norms to establish a military HQ and designate it a consulate. Much as it’s generally considered poor form to build a fortified underground command centre underneath a hospital.

Makes you wonder whether Iran and/or Hamas expected to get away with it, or were banking on not getting away with it, in pursuit of headlines, pretexts, strained alliances, etc.
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It is likewise a breach of norms to establish a military HQ and designate it a consulate. Much as it’s generally considered poor form to build a fortified underground command centre underneath a hospital.

Makes you wonder whether Iran and/or Hamas expected to get away with it, or were banking on not getting away with it, in pursuit of headlines, pretexts, strained alliances, etc.
Most consulates have a military HQ in there buildings.
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The US thinks they own the world and always have.... No other country has treated the world as bad as this one has..... Most people dont know what really goes on and think the US is the best country in the world!!

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It is likewise a breach of norms to establish a military HQ and designate it a consulate. Much as it’s generally considered poor form to build a fortified underground command centre underneath a hospital.

Makes you wonder whether Iran and/or Hamas expected to get away with it, or were banking on not getting away with it, in pursuit of headlines, pretexts, strained alliances, etc.
Were the hospitals actually a thing? I only ever saw IDF staged photos so chalked it up with the 40 beheaded babies under "things that didn't happen". Of course there were empty tunnels the Israelis built themselves in the 80s.

I bet the lads at Langley would never use a consulate as a cover.
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