Brexit

Originally Posted by Mythica

Of course you can, it's been in the news for 3 years.

So, you're saying as soon as legislation is passed for a new referendum, there will be no time to run a campaign, it will be like, a law passes and they have the vote the day after?

It just doesn't work like that - It took months to organise, as soon as a referendum is given the go ahead, campaigns will start, you cannot stop them.

[Mythica]

Originally Posted by Mick

So, you're saying as soon as legislation is passed for a new referendum, there will be no time to run a campaign, it will be like, a law passes and they have the vote the day after?

It just doesn't work like that - It took months to organise, as soon as a referendum is given the go ahead, campaigns will start, you cannot stop them.

I never said any such thing. I simply said we wouldn't need another campaign if we had another referendum.

Originally Posted by Mythica

I never said any such thing. I simply said we wouldn't need another campaign if we had another referendum.

You're missing my point.

If a decision is passed to have another referendum then there will be campaigns for both sides, they cannot be stopped. The vote will not occur right away, after a decision has been made, so each side will campaign until the vote happens.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Mick

There are no weaknesses of the first referendum - the campaigns on both sides played by the same rules - they both lied to get votes and it would happen again in another campaign in yet another referendum.

It shouldn't take two rounds of votes, well, actually three, actually four, to be precise, to deliver a clear decision and that was to leave. (2016 Referendum, Snap Election and Euro Elections just gone and any potential new referendum).

It wasn’t a clear decision, neither was any of the subsequent elections a de facto referendum.

If you’re confident of winning I don’t see why you’re so strongly against. We won’t leave without a further referendum so the sooner we do so the better.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Mick

You're missing my point.

If a decision is passed to have another referendum then there will be campaigns for both sides, they cannot be stopped. The vote will not occur right away, after a decision has been made, so each side will campaign until the vote happens.

All immaterial anyway as there isn't the time to get it through Parliament before 31/10.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Paul M

"Need" is irrelevant, another referendum would come with another set of campaigns, by both sides.

And another set of lies l would imagine..

[jfman]

Originally Posted by pip08456

All immaterial anyway as there isn't the time to get it through Parliament before 31/10.

Haha. The amount of things I was told were not possible prior to 29th March.

Originally Posted by jfman

It wasn’t a clear decision, neither was any of the subsequent elections a de facto referendum.

If you’re confident of winning I don’t see why you’re so strongly against. We won’t leave without a further referendum so the sooner we do so the better.

Because having further votes just delays what was decided and we don't keep having the same votes, over and over just to suit the losing side and it was a clear decision, I don't know how you can say it was not, more than a million more people chose to leave than remain, so we must leave.

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Originally Posted by jfman

Haha. The amount of things I was told were not possible prior to 29th March.

The things that you were told were correct - the government chose to extend, it did not have to abide by parliament, the votes were not legally binding.

[Mythica]

Originally Posted by Mick

You're missing my point.

If a decision is passed to have another referendum then there will be campaigns for both sides, they cannot be stopped. The vote will not occur right away, after a decision has been made, so each side will campaign until the vote happens.

Point taken, I still think it's fair and democratic after everything we've been through in these three years to have another referendum.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Mick

Because having further votes just delays what was decided and we don't keep having the same votes, over and over just to suit the losing side and it was a clear decision, I don't know how you can say it was not, more than a million more people chose to leave than remain, so we must leave.

A further vote would have, in the long run, removed the need for the present extension period. Carrying out one now would give us an assured position for October when right now, without knowing who is PM and what Parliament will do, we presently do not.

Originally Posted by jfman

A further vote would have, in the long run, removed the need for the present extension period. Carrying out one now would give us an assured position for October when right now, without knowing who is PM and what Parliament will do, we presently do not.

We do not need another vote - we had one in 2016 - we voted to leave. No matter how many times you try skate around this, it won't resolve anything when leave wins again, unless as I have said previously, you then stamp your feet for another one when you lose again.

[Carth]

I certainly don't want another referendum


I'm quite happy, possibly even ecstatic, at the thought of being refused yet another farcical extension in October

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by pip08456

All immaterial anyway as there isn't the time to get it through Parliament before 31/10.

You said that last time and they found time.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

You said that last time and they found time.

Really, I'd check what was passed if I were you.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by pip08456

Really, I'd check what was passed if I were you.

That's semantics. Parliament found a way to delay Brexit. The fact the Government enabled it is a red herring. the vote of no confidence option always exists and will continue to exist.