26-03-2019, 13:34
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Re: Brexit (New).
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agree totally either though I not calling for one maybe a second referendum is only way to sort it out
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But will a second referendum solve anything Dave or just make things worse?.
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26-03-2019, 13:35
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Re: Brexit (New).
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Quote from legislation.gov.uk:
Power to amend the definition of “exit day”
14A statutory instrument containing regulations under section 20(4) may not be made unless a draft of the instrument has been laid before, and approved by a resolution of, each House of Parliament.
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Unless legislation is passed by BOTH houses by close of play Fiday. We're out as of Saturday.
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26-03-2019, 13:37
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Re: Brexit (New).
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Originally Posted by denphone
But will a second referendum solve anything Dave or just make things worse?.
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don't know that the problem Den no one has any idea how to sort this out
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Unless legislation is passed by BOTH houses by close of play Fiday. We're out as of Saturday.
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wrong again Andrea Leadsom just confirmed in parliament international law already changed to 12th April or 22nd May earliest we out is 12th April
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26-03-2019, 13:55
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Re: Brexit (New).
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Originally Posted by heero_yuy
Unless legislation is passed by BOTH houses by close of play Fiday. We're out as of Saturday.
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As has been pointed out we'll still be in as it's an intentional agreement.
But the Government is tabling the date change tomorrow anyways.
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26-03-2019, 14:04
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Re: Brexit (New).
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26-03-2019, 14:52
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Re: Brexit (New).
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. . . . just confirmed in parliament international law already changed to 12th April or 22nd May earliest we out is 12th April
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to be followed by 30th June, 25th Aug, 9th Oct, 3rd Dec . . and repeat until the polar icecaps are mere puddles in the sand (or Watford win a cup)
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26-03-2019, 17:49
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Re: Brexit (New).
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Originally Posted by Dave42
don't know that the problem Den no one has any idea how to sort this out
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wrong again Andrea Leadsom just confirmed in parliament international law already changed to 12th April or 22nd May earliest we out is 12th April
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We may well be in the doghouse as far as international law goes, but despite what she says, there is still a clash here.
The EU Withdrawal Act repeals the international law (1972 European Act) so as far as things here in the UK go, they do need that SI passed, otherwise there will be two sets of conflicting law governing the UK from 11.01pm on Friday.
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As has been pointed out we'll still be in as it's an intentional agreement.
But the Government is tabling the date change tomorrow anyways.
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They need to, because the international agreement only carries force as far as the UK goes, because our domestic legislation makes that so. The very same international agreement that is meant to be repealed on Friday night.
I feel a Supreme Court case coming if that SI doesn't get voted through.
We cannot be governed by two sets of different conflicting laws.
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26-03-2019, 18:09
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Re: Brexit (New).
This may have been posted before but the DUP* are now saying a one-year Brexit delay would be better than agreeing PM's deal.
As a counter to this the Moggster is changing his mind (apparently something he can do but the country can't) and will back TM's deal. I guess they are now afraid of losing Brexit all together so they now see this as better than nothing.
I do think May is slowly browbeating Tory MP's to back her deal but if she can get near the number she needs, how does she get over the Bercow ruling?
* described today on Twitter as the Political Wing of the Old Testament
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26-03-2019, 18:49
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Re: Brexit (New).
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But will a second referendum solve anything Dave or just make things worse?.
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It will make things worse. Imagine the arguments if 'Remain' won but with a much lower turnout.
The referendum has been held already. Another one would solve nothing, even if Leave won it. The remainers would still want to stay and would find new ways to have yet another referendum.
We know the pathetic game they are playing.
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26-03-2019, 18:58
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Re: Brexit (New).
Tory Brexiteers claim PM may have 'unlawfully' delayed UK's EU exit
A quartet of Tory Brexiteers have written to the prime minister to question her right to delay Brexit without having first consulted MPs.
They write: "We are gravely concerned that you are unlawfully seeking to extend the UK’s membership of the EU."
The letter is signed by Sir Bill Cash, former Brexit ministers David Jones and Suella Braverman, and Michael Tomlinson.
https://news.sky.com/story/live-ther...ntrol-11675336
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26-03-2019, 18:58
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Re: Brexit (New).
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It will make things worse. Imagine the arguments if 'Remain' won but with a much lower turnout.
The referendum has been held already. Another one would solve nothing, even if Leave won it. The remainers would still want to stay and would find new ways to have yet another referendum.
We know the pathetic game they are playing.
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Another referendum with clearly defined choices and a clearly defined percentage requirement to achieve victory would solve the situation perfectly.
Saying that remainers are playing pathetic games because it doesn’t fit with your political beliefs just shows your true colours for all to see
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26-03-2019, 19:11
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Re: Brexit (New).
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY
It will make things worse. Imagine the arguments if 'Remain' won but with a much lower turnout.
The referendum has been held already. Another one would solve nothing, even if Leave won it. The remainers would still want to stay and would find new ways to have yet another referendum.
We know the pathetic game they are playing.
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I think the speed you slip into the pejorative shows that you are worried. You should be. If the Hard Brexiters do not swallow their pride, lose face and sign up to Mrs May's deal then they will lose the prize. We will get a watered down Brexit and maybe no Brexit at all.
Even, *gasp*, JC is now uttering phrases like "MPs should consider public vote on Brexit deal".
Things like the Petition and the March in London will vividly remind the MP's in Parliament that they need to vote in the country's interests and conclude this debacle with a solution that tries to be inclusive to both sides and failing that, asks the people to make the final decision.
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26-03-2019, 19:19
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Re: Brexit (New).
Anyone feeling the Brexit blues might want to watch BBC2 at 22:00 tonight.
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26-03-2019, 19:27
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Re: Brexit (New).
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Anyone feeling the Brexit blues might want to watch BBC2 at 22:00 tonight.
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To save anyone else having to search, it's a comedy programme presented by Matt Berry called "Road to Brexit".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/pr...road-to-brexit
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Cult favourite Matt Berry offers his unique take on Brexit, in this one-off comedy special to mark the passing of the Article 50 deadline.
Reuniting with collaborator Arthur Matthews for the first time since Toast Of London, Berry plays rogue historian Michael Squeamish, who’s on a mission to discover the origins of Brexit and offer some interesting opinions on Britain’s current plight along the way.
Through creative use of archive footage and filmed interviews, The Road To Brexit unashamedly plays fast and loose with the facts to create a joyously surreal whistle stop tour of Britain’s relationship with Europe, from the 1950s right up to Brexit.
The Road To Brexit is an Objective Fiction production for BBC Two.
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26-03-2019, 19:27
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Re: Brexit (New).
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Anyone feeling the Brexit blues might want to watch BBC2 at 22:00 tonight.
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No thanks as there are far more interesting things to watch on our TV Richard.
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