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Old 18-11-2020, 11:03   #976
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You need to multiple by 100 to get it expressed as a percentage.

So 50,000/5,000,000 = 0.01 *100 = 1.


of course
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I have been tasked with getting a turkey to feed 12 people, make of that what you will.
Trump and co. visiting for Chrimbo?
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I can't confirm or deny that remark at this time.
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Re: Coronavirus

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Cardiff University report said that mouthwashes containing at least 0.07% cetypyridinium chloride (CPC) showed "promising signs" of being able to combat the virus.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-54971650


Some of the mouthwashes that contain cetylpyridinium chloride.


Dentyl mouthwash
Crest pro-health multi-protection mouthwash
Colgate Total Pro-Shield
Sensodyne Pronamel Daily Mouthwash
Oral-B Pro-Expert Multi Protection alcohol free mouthwash
Colgate Plax Cool Mint
OraCare+ Senstiive alcohol-free fluoride mouth wash

https://www.express.co.uk/life-style...oride-cure-EVG
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Re: Coronavirus

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-54971650


Some of the mouthwashes that contain cetylpyridinium chloride.


Dentyl mouthwash
Crest pro-health multi-protection mouthwash
Colgate Total Pro-Shield
Sensodyne Pronamel Daily Mouthwash
Oral-B Pro-Expert Multi Protection alcohol free mouthwash
Colgate Plax Cool Mint
OraCare+ Senstiive alcohol-free fluoride mouth wash

https://www.express.co.uk/life-style...oride-cure-EVG
Strictly speaking it may reduce viral load so while not a cure or "immunity" may help prevent more severe infections. More empty shelves and price rises. Just see eBay offers for bottles of mouthwash at inflated prices.
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Re: Coronavirus

The actual research paper

https://www.cardiff.ac.uk/__data/ass...-infection.pdf

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8. The urgent need for research

Many questions need to be addressed in relation to whether oral hygiene could represent a viable approach to dampen transmission of SARS-CoV-2, and research is required to address this.

In relation to oral hygiene, we need to determine:
• Can we reduce viral load in the oropharynx through oral rinsing?
• If we can reduce load, then which oral rinse would be clinically effective: The current choice includes 20-30 % ethanol, lipid-based membrane disruptors, PVP-1, CPC, hydrogen peroxide, simple chlorinated tap water or WHO formulation I diluted to 30% of neat?
• Would a combination of agents in lower amounts be better tolerated, reducing adverse effects, and remain effective?
• What combinations or agents, contact time and frequency of use would induce anti-viral activity and reduce infectivity of SARS-CoV-2
tl;dr - early days yet, might be useful, needs more research

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Strictly speaking it may reduce viral load so while not a cure or "immunity" may help prevent more severe infections. More empty shelves and price rises. Just see eBay offers for bottles of mouthwash at inflated prices.
We buy packs of 6 from Costco, so no worries...
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Re: Coronavirus

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-54971650


Some of the mouthwashes that contain cetylpyridinium chloride.


Dentyl mouthwash
Crest pro-health multi-protection mouthwash
Colgate Total Pro-Shield
Sensodyne Pronamel Daily Mouthwash
Oral-B Pro-Expert Multi Protection alcohol free mouthwash
Colgate Plax Cool Mint
OraCare+ Senstiive alcohol-free fluoride mouth wash

https://www.express.co.uk/life-style...oride-cure-EVG
Can't quite see how that would help prevent getting the virus, other than by helping preventing others from spreading it. People tend to breathe in/out through the nose, which a mouthwash won't reach.
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Re: Coronavirus

We already use one of the mouthwashes on the list but thought the link was worth posting. I have had a quick look on Amazon and those that are stocked are still being sold at normal prices.

To my mind if there is something that could help then I will always keep an eye open for future developments.

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Can't quite see how that would help prevent getting the virus, other than by helping preventing others from spreading it. People tend to breathe in/out through the nose, which a mouthwash won't reach.
I breath through my mouth.

The article doesn't say that it will prevent you getting the virus but that ...[QUOTE]While the research suggests use of mouthwash may help kill the virus in saliva, there is not evidence it could be used as a treatment for coronavirus, as it will not reach the the respiratory tract or the lungs.[

Dr Claydon, a specialist periodontologist, said: "If these positive results are reflected in Cardiff University's clinical trial, CPC-based mouthwashes... could become an important addition to people's routine, together with hand washing, physical distancing and wearing masks, both now and in the future."/QUOTE]

The use of Vitimin D was also played down early on but now it is standard part of hospital treatment
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https://www.pulsetoday.co.uk/news/cl...tudy-suggests/
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The actual research paper

https://www.cardiff.ac.uk/__data/ass...-infection.pdf



tl;dr - early days yet, might be useful, needs more research

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We buy packs of 6 from Costco, so no worries...
I've been using Bleach, no worries.
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I have been tasked with getting a turkey to feed 12 people, make of that what you will.
Sky News Australia have quite a few staff, then.
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Sky News Australia have quite a few staff, then.
I suppose you will be having xmas with the entire EU negotiating team ,sleepy joe, angela merkel and moaning macron.
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Re: Coronavirus

Interesting paper from Nature Human Behaviour here which discusses the effectiveness of different government interventions on reducing the Rt value of this disease (Rt being the real world value for R0) It covers 79 countries and uses four models to give a bit of 'oomph' to the analysis.

The paper ranks different interventions and these are the top 5 results and the drops in Rt value for one model;
  1. Small gathering cancellation - -0.35
  2. Closure of schools - -0.16
  3. Border restriction - -0.23
  4. Increased availability of PPE - -0.11
  5. Individual movement restrictions - -0.13
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So is going to the pub a small gathering or does that fall under restrictions on certain establishments.
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BREAKING: COVID-19: Supermarkets most common exposure setting for catching coronavirus in England, latest data suggests

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-...shows-12136418

Proportion of all common locations reported in PHE data:
  • Supermarket - 18.3%
  • Secondary school - 12.7%
  • Primary school - 10.1%
  • Hospital - 3.6%
  • Care home - 2.8%
  • College - 2.4%
  • Warehouse - 2.2%
  • Nursery preschool - 1.8%
  • Pub or bar - 1.6%
  • Hospitality - 1.5%
  • University - 1.4%
  • Manufacture engineering - 1.4%
  • Household fewer than five - 1.2%
  • General practice - 1.1%
  • Gym - 1.1%
  • Restaurant or cafe - 1.0%


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I can see a few pub landlords getting pissed off with this data, asking why they have to close when the primary source is something that has to remain open for essentials.
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I can see a few pub landlords getting pissed off with this data, asking why they have to close when the primary source is something that has to remain open for essentials.
It was data from 9th - 15th November. Nobody should have been in pubs in this period.

Though it seems pretty dubious data anyway (it only adds up to 64%). Surely most transmission happens within households?
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